wvpeach, who created the world?

Hey wvpeach. I just wanted your opinion on who created the world.

[SIZE="4"]Did the Father create the world?

Did the Son create the world?

OR did both the Son and Father create the world?[/SIZE]


Take care

Those questions imply that Jesus and the Father are separate from each other. Jesus said that He and the Father are one...He did not say that He and the father are two. So when the Bible says about Jesus, that all things were made by Him, it is the same as saying that the Father created the world.

Brian that is the 100% on the money. I just wish some others here could see that. Others here believe that the Father is a seperate being, and created Jesus.
The problem they have is when the Father and Jesus both claim to of done all things alone and by themselves. Usually then they claim the Bible is filled with counterdictions. However it is not the Bible that has the counterdictions, it is their belief system. And I have found their belief system appears to over rule Scripture. And like the watchtower society, their bible is written to conform with their belief not the other way around. Some here I believe receieved their training from the society.

Brian that is the 100% on the money. I just wish some others here could see that. Others here believe that the Father is a seperate being, and created Jesus.
The problem they have is when the Father and Jesus both claim to of done all things alone and by themselves. Usually then they claim the Bible is filled with counterdictions. However it is not the Bible that has the counterdictions, it is their belief system. And I have found their belief system appears to over rule Scripture. And like the watchtower society, their bible is written to conform with their belief not the other way around. Some here I believe receieved their training from the society.

So let me get this right. God impregnated the virgin Mary with himself. When he was old enough he went out and preached the word of himself, was betrayed by someone who he knew was going to betray him and always knew as he is omnisicent/ omnipresent. When on the cross told himself to forgive the people, died for the sins that he knew we would make anyway so that we could all go to his kingdom in heaven.

A little self indulgent don't you think?

Call it what you will, Christ fulfilled the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament, and Christ also knew that most people would reject His gift of salvation. So as I said, call it what you will. I have accepted Him, and His gift of salvation. Everyone has their own choice to make.

So you accept my interpretation to be true, and you gladly follow such a self absorbed Deity?

Well I respect the fact you are honest.

No I did not accept your interpretation, I said call it what (YOU) will. You see your small mind is unable to understand the greatness of this God, you are but a speck of dust trying to bring God down to your human level. The reason you exist is because of Him.
My small mind understands that there is nothing like Him in the universe, and in all future times there will be nothing like Him. He is beyond all human understanding, and His greatness is forever.

Wow, Campbell, based on your previous postings, your last sentence contradicts what you said before. You said, as I seem to recall, that God can be known and understood, from what is written in the Bible...I differed with that opinion, which is closer to your last sentence...and you took me to task.
I really have problems with people assigning human conditions on God.

Brian that is the 100% on the money. I just wish some others here could see that. Others here believe that the Father is a separate being, and created Jesus.
The problem they have is when the Father and Jesus both claim to of done all things alone and by themselves. Usually then they claim the Bible is filled with counter dictions. However it is not the Bible that has the counterdictions, it is their belief system. And I have found their belief system appears to over rule Scripture. And like the watchtower society, their bible is written to conform with their belief not the other way around. Some here I believe received their training from the society.

Hummm as a believer I find some contradictions in the word. But will ask Him one day if at the time it is even a question.
And in the beginning they were one and yet two. And Jesus, was presented as the son. As God can't be near sin. And this brings up another contradiction in Job, Satan is in Gods', place with Him. But again I believe and will wait for the answer if it is important at all then. This is how I read and receive the word. Why debate it? If one believes, then he/she believes inChrist, is born again and follows the Way. Joining some Church isn't always the best thing to do. Many will screw up your belief system.

There are many levels to God that man does not know of or even has considered yet. That being said, the Bible has introduced us to Gods first level which is the level we can approach on Him. There is no question in my mind that eternity with God will be filled with daily revelations of what God is, and learning that His being is so vast, that it will take an eternity to just begin to scratch the surface of His knowledge. The Bible gives the basics of God, and those basics are what we need at this point. I only took you to task, because you did acknowledge those basics.

I do acknowledge the fact that the Bible is but one source providing insight into the nature of God...I don't accept the fact that it is the "only" source, as some religious fanatics would have you believe. People continually attempt to not only speak for God, but to judge others "as God", and to assign him human attributes and conditions...such as "anger", "envy", "jealousy", etc....
Some parts of the Bible may have been "divinely inspired", while other parts were conceived by men, who in their humanness, may have gotten it wrong, or misconstrued....which is why common sense and discernment is needed.

Yet I would point this out, the Bible is the ONLY Book that fortells the future. No other religious book has prophecy that can be seen as true. You donot have to be a religious fanatic to see this. And since God alone knows the future. This makes the Bible the only Book in the world that has Gods fingerprint.