Jesus appearing to Muslims in their dreams.

@Adam Bing,

Adam Bing;42872 wrote:

I was impressed with this response by Mr.Sword of God and hence my comment.

Do you seriously believe devout Muslims won't be insulted by your unsubstantiable claim that Muslims are dreaming of Jesus and converting? If it was true, thats one thing. But this sort of nonsense being bandied by evangelical groups is the silliest sort of infalmatory propaganda. Like I said it is no better than the equally stupid Muslim claim that western women are converting in droves to Islam (they wish!).

Now, looking at you two sorry folk, I again repeat that to an innocent bystander like myself, there is no difference between the two.
- Both are bigots and trouble makers.
- Neither respects the earth or the Universe. Both are anthrocentric with an ideology that puts man on top of the heap sanctioned by a god entity that cannot be proven.
- while both cast aspersions at true science, their only proof for the wildest of claims is that it is said in the holy book.

"Jesus rose from the dead". Proof? The Bible.
"Mohammed heard the suras straight from god". Proof? The Koran.
"Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born". Proof? The Bible & The Koran.
"Mohammed flew overnight to God on a camel". Proof? The Koran.

I therefore respect you both but not your beliefs.

Once again I must also say that your belief is your personal matter and as long as you do not proseletyse, I have no right to slight them. However, by evangelising, you open your belief set to questioning. And they crumble under the simpest assault.

First of all I know how Christians are and if you think that some how there is these groups of Christians all over the world making up these stories, that would be silly. All my life I have had contacts with many Christian people. To think that we are in back rooms making up lies so we can convert the lost is a joke. I can see you really don't have much experience with born again believers. And if you want proof for Jesus, you have to seek Him. The Bible tells us whosoever seeks God with all their heart, with all their mind, and with all their soul will surly find Him. Fact is, most people could care less about God, and that's why they don't seek Him. And I can tell you, I myself have had encounters with Christ, He is not dead, but alive. I have heard His voice. Now that is no better than those stories that we see on line about Muslims seeing Jesus in their dreams. Yet my statement is true, and if you want to call that propaganda, you are free to do so. But I will stand by my story as God as my witness. I don't make up stories about God when I know the day will come when I will have to stand before Him. If Christians have to fabricate stories about their faith, well then, we would not have much of a faith would we. It would certainly not be a faith I would follow.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;32006 wrote:

Unverified does not make it not true. Just unverified. If you found a piece of evidence supporting his assumption would you post it? Na i didn't think so. If more then one second hand source stated so would that be verified to you?

I still await one non-christian /evangelical / reliable third party confirmation of these Jesus dreams that Muslims are having worldwide and which is causing a slew of conversions.

Similarly, I also await a non-Muslim source to confirm the equally stupid assertion that Western women are converting en masse to Islam.

You see whats happening here? Do you see how similar the propaganda is on both sides? It reinforces the assertion that these warring monotheists have morein common than they realize. Their thinking is almost identical in how to go about harvesting souls.

The salvation club of both denominations needs members. So we have these tales to encourage membership.

The fact is:
There is no epidemic of jesus dreams amongst Muslims and there never was. The % of conversions from Muslims to Christians is the same as it was. The average is constant.

There is no great movement of Western women to Islam. Again, the average % of conversions remain the same.

Thank you.

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@Campbell34,

The reason I cannot take at face value Evengelical claims on their websites about Muslims having Jesus dream, because then I'd also have to accept similar rubbish from the opposing camp.

For example, how is this claim (Why Western Women Choose Islam - The Islamic Garden) any less reliable than the christian claims?

It too is from a vested interest with no proper verifiable facts. It too quotes "saved" women who left christiantity for Islam.

What does it prove? Nothing. The person of conversion from one stupidity to the other, is constant.

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@Campbell34,

Mr.Campbell, here is the Christian Science Monitor verifying that indeed Western Women are converting to Islam. Darned if I know why, but they are: (Why European women are turning to Islam | csmonitor.com).

You have your work cut out for you. Find us something like this to back your claim in Jesus Dreams. This is important. The diaperheads have just scored. Literally.

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;41508 wrote:

You christinas -out of desperation- fabricate a LIE and you keep repeating/posting your LIE till one day you yourself believe it!!

Mr.Sword of God: You claimed that Western Women were converting to Islam in large numbers.

I rejected your claim because you could not provide any verifiable facts.

I however came across a third party non-Islamic confirmation of your claim.

Why European women are turning to Islam | csmonitor.com

I stand corrected.

But for the world of me, I cannot understand why a woman would convert but the fact is that they are converting. Most probably not in the multitudes you claim, but I have no proof of that and will go by the Christian Science Monitor report.

Thanks

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@Campbell34,

Jesus reaches out to the misguided...

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@Tulip cv,

Tulip;43091 wrote:

Jesus reaches out to the misguided...

what you say is beautiful if said in the right spirit.

When said by an evangalist who believes every other faith , belief, conclusion is 'misguided" your sentence smells of an ugly pomposity that more and more people globally are rejecting.

I noticed that in Asia for example, the gentle Asians would look benignly at a priest who would say something like that. Now they understand that he means "their culture" is misguided and boy, am I delighted to see how scathing they are in their come backs. No fun anymore being a missionary. The freaking natives have gone and educated themselves.

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@Campbell34,

your sentence smells of an ugly pomposity that more and more people globally are rejecting.Zing-Bing!

Ouch!!! Geesh Mr. Bingo, such strong language! I certainly don't smell!!! You need your nasal openning checked!!!!

Anyway, Jesus is one of several avators who have been sent by the same Divine source to teach us all the same thing to love one another.

And here we are in a world with our own generational avators and we just mock them. For example, the adorable little Dali lama who had such a powerful lesson for everyone, to keep our own traditions in honor and respect, and to find peace in our own hearts, then our families, then our communities and finally the world...if everyone did simply this, the war would end and our troops would come home.

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@Campbell34,

and l am converting to Muslim, there is nothing l would like better than to pray to a rock and cover myself head to toe to hide the wounds of my last beating...as soon as chief alibah-bah signs the contract with my lawyers...it allows me to go in a cave for a few minutes and inhale camel dung so l can create a new version of the Koran, WOMEN RULE!!!!

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@mako cv,

It's simple. If you want to follow Christ then just seek him from your heart and he will come, if not then he still loves you just the same, one day you will come to him. On the other hand if you don't convert and submit then your head will roll. If you are seeking proof of conversions to Christianity by Moslems then Google Afshin Javid, he is one of thousands. It's hard to believe in Christ isn't it, but I bet you believe in flying saucers and visiting extraterrestrials.

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@cargam1,

cargam1 wrote:

It's simple. If you want to follow Christ then just seek him from your heart and he will come, if not then he still loves you just the same, one day you will come to him. On the other hand if you don't convert and submit then your head will roll. If you are seeking proof of conversions to Christianity by Moslems then Google Afshin Javid, he is one of thousands. It's hard to believe in Christ isn't it, but I bet you believe in flying saucers and visiting extraterrestrials.

Your quote [I bet you believe in flying saucers and visiting extraterrestrials]
You believe in them dont you? Would you not have to be simple minded not to?

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@mako cv,

You are also reporting unverifiable hearsay as fact. " I once worked in food service... " Sounds like it is just you saying so and no way to verify those claims either, not to mention it has nothing to do with converting to islam because of a dream. I know a muslim raised Christian that said Jesus came to him in a dream and drew a cross on his chest. This happened to him three times before he gave his life to Christ. He told me that he knew of many former muslims that had the same experience. Not verifiable either but I know him to be real and honest and I believe him.

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@mako cv,

I know a former muslim that converted to Christianity after Christ came to him in a dream, but i have never heard of a Christian converting after a dream about Mohammed or Buddha. I also don't see any "verifiable references" from you, mako cv, on those claims. Even so, it would not change the fact that I heard first hand from someone that I know that he indeed came to follow Jesus Christ after he appeared to him in a dream and drew a cross on his chest.

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@SWORD of GOD,

Go to You Tube - there are so many wonderful stories of muslims converting becasue they are tired of not being sure of their salavation. Personally I have never heard of any muslim or christian dreaming of Muhammed. It always saddens me when people can't wait to ridicule Christianity when they have absolutely nothing to offer this world . They will tell you they believe in common sense etc but when you delve into there lives - it is normally a deluge of pornogrophy, drinking drugs or worse.

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@andrew19699,

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it is normally a deluge of pornogrophy, drinking drugs or worse.

I think that this is in some part because of common man's "This includes most theist and atheist as well" inability to understand moral philosophy in the most simplest form. It goes all the way back to loving your neighbor as yourself but most of have been taught that we should be in competition with them instead.

The churches do not speak out about this, which leads to the love of money.
I do not find it to be the fault of christians or other religions but rather the fault of the wolves in sheep clothing who lead them.
I think that many theist truly want to be moral people but rather than studying moral philosophy the study theology.

I find those who have PhD's in any field of study to be more informed about the subjects at hand than those who do not.

Why many theist and atheist alike choose to believe in what they believe rather than understand it is beyond my understanding

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