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Jesus appearing to Muslims in their dreams.

 
 
mako cv
 
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What library sites?

I dunno, which ones can you access?
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Im very capable, i just chose not to where liars are concerned.

Are you saying I am a liar?
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"The entire history of Christianity is a conspiracy of lying for god. "Opps, i guess you lied.
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So anything you say about your religion needs to be verified by a non-muslim? So who do you say wrote your Quran? Cause i'm gaonn need to verify this, i hope you have more then your second hand opinion?
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Looks to me you needed to span 1700 to make a point, that probably all you got.

Just an observation and nothing to belittle you or anything, but I have notices you talk a lot and never really say anything worth remembering.
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Are you capable of verifing who wrote your Quran?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2007 05:46 pm
@mako cv,
mako;32449 wrote:
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How did i miss all those?
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I dunno, which ones can you access?
I dunno either.
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Are you saying I am a liar?
Takes one to know one.
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Simple as catching you in a lie.
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Why a non-muslim?
Christians can't verify christian storys so Muslim can't verify Muslim storys.
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And that religion is?
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Just an observation and nothing to belittle you or anything, but I have notices you talk a lot and never really say anything worth remembering.
Speak for yourself, you go a little further then observation. You don't have to remember, i will remind you.
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Capable maybe, willing, no.
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mako cv
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 08:13 am
@mako cv,
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How did i miss all those?

I dunno, how did you miss them?
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I dunno either.
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Takes one to know one.

Then you must be very truthful LOL
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Simple as catching you in a lie.
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Christians can't verify christian storys so Muslim can't verify Muslim storys.
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And that religion is?
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Speak for yourself, you go a little further then observation. You don't have to remember, i will remind you.
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Capable maybe, willing, no.
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 12:02 pm
@mako cv,
mako;31999 wrote:
In other words you are reporting unverifiable hear say as factual! :beat: Typical! Incidentially, your little Pakistani item can be matched by the many Christians that have converted to Islam. I once worked as management in the food services of the Texas Corrections system (Texas Department of Criminal Justice) and am personally familiar with 35 to 40 inmates that converted from Christianity to Islam and know 3 different Muslim missionaries that work the Texas prison system. Very Happy Since, of the 4 major religions of the world, Islam is the fastest growing, followed by Buddhism, Hinduism and then Christianity (which is actually shrinking, even with the growth in Africa and Asia), if anything it is probably Christians seeing Allah and Mohammed in a dream and converting to Islam rather than vice versa. :patriot:


If anything it is PROBABLY Christians seeing Allah and Mohammed in a dream and converting to Islam rather than vice versa. Where's your facts? Or do you only demand them when they oppose your beliefs.

More and more stories are coming out of closed countries of God supernaturally evangelizing Muslims through dreams and visions. Of the estimated thousands of new believers in Iran in the last few years, over half of them became believers after Jesus personally came to them in a dream or vision. Wendell Evans of the Billy Graham Center's Institute for Muslim Studies refers to 'the frequency of reported dreams and visions of Christ among Muslims...

Muslims find the real Jesus
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 09:59 pm
@Campbell34,
[SIZE="3"]Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States[/SIZE]

By Jim Garamone / American Forces Press Service

DefendAMERICA


WASHINGTON, Oct. 4, 2001 -- Muslims, those who believe in Islam, are everywhere in the United States. They may be your doctor or drive your taxi. They may serve you in restaurants or advise you in law. And if you’re in the military, they increasingly may be in the same foxhole, manning the same position or working on the same aircraft as you.


Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, with more than 1.3 billion believers. In the United States, it is the fastest growing religion, a trend fueled mostly by immigration. There are 5 million to 7 million Muslims in the U.S., including between 10,000 and 20,000 members of the American military. One of them is Army Chaplain (Capt.) Abdul-Rasheed Muhammad, a Muslim Imam stationed at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. In his chaplaincy, he ministers to all faiths.
mako cv
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 07:20 am
@mako cv,
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They may be your doctor

Yes, and his name is Mohammed Sheik. I enjoy seeing him, we joke about the similarities and dissimilarities of Islam, Chrisitianity and Judaism. Under military medical service I could request another doctor, but Dr. Sheik has shown his professionalism, his knowledge and his sense of humor over and over again...besides which, there are few Deist Doctors out there, so a Moslem doctor is just as good as having a Jewish or Christian doctor. :patriot:
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JesusDiedForU
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 08:12 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;36120 wrote:
[SIZE="3"]Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States[/SIZE]

By Jim Garamone / American Forces Press Service

DefendAMERICA



1) Why are you just randomly posting a news paper article here? Who are you responding to?

2) America is pagan country.

3) Why are Muslims seeing visions/dreams of Jesus and then becoming a follower of Christ?
mako cv
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 08:29 am
@mako cv,
Don't know who he was responding to, but to answer #3...probably for the same reason Americans are dreaming of Allah and converting to Islam -probably the same percentage as the Muslims converting to Christianity. The truly growing trend in America is the deconversion from orgainized religion, with the deconvertees becoming Pagans, Atheists, Agnostics or Deists...this is as fast growing as Islam or Christianity. :patriot:
Campbell34
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 09:05 am
@mako cv,
mako;36157 wrote:
Don't know who he was responding to, but to answer #3...probably for the same reason Americans are dreaming of Allah and converting to Islam -probably the same percentage as the Muslims converting to Christianity. The truly growing trend in America is the deconversion from orgainized religion, with the deconvertees becoming Pagans, Atheists, Agnostics or Deists...this is as fast growing as Islam or Christianity. :patriot:


PROBABLY Americans are dreaming of Allah and converting to Islam.

Could you provide some verifiable references on this? Or do you only demand references when that donot support your own imagination.
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mako cv
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 09:40 am
@mako cv,
As far as Americans converting to Islam, read Sword of God's little posting...plus as a former Corrections official in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, I have first hand experience of large scale conversions of Christians to Islam. Texas data shows that it is the fastest growing religion in the prison system, especially among the Afro-Americans (but not restricted to them). There is an estimated 135,000 Americans converting to Islam each year; of these about 35,000 are in the prison systems. It is estimated that by 2010 there will be somewhere between 10,000,000 to 16,000,000 American Muslims..outnumbering even some of the main-stream Christian denominations. Here are your references you want:

African Muslims in Antebellum America: A Sourcebook by Allan D. Austin.
Islam in North America: A sourcebook by Michael A. Koszegi and J. Gordon Melton.
Disforming the American Canon: African-Arabic Slave Narratives and the Vernacular, by Ronald A.T. Judy

Unlike some, I can provide reference when asked... :patriot:
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 05:30 pm
@JesusDiedForU,
JesusDiedForU;36150 wrote:
1)

3) Why are Muslims seeing visions/dreams of Jesus and then becoming a follower of Christ?


LOL...you -fanatic christians- are funny. You fabricate a naive lie from your twisted illusions then after repeating it several times you believe it yourselves! LOL. Keep dreaming and hallucinating till you wake up in Hellfire.

Wake up NOW and smell the coffee before it is too late!
Campbell34
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 10:07 pm
@mako cv,
mako;36166 wrote:
As far as Americans converting to Islam, read Sword of God's little posting...plus as a former Corrections official in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, I have first hand experience of large scale conversions of Christians to Islam. Texas data shows that it is the fastest growing religion in the prison system, especially among the Afro-Americans (but not restricted to them). There is an estimated 135,000 Americans converting to Islam each year; of these about 35,000 are in the prison systems. It is estimated that by 2010 there will be somewhere between 10,000,000 to 16,000,000 American Muslims..outnumbering even some of the main-stream Christian denominations. Here are your references you want:

African Muslims in Antebellum America: A Sourcebook by Allan D. Austin.
Islam in North America: A sourcebook by Michael A. Koszegi and J. Gordon Melton.
Disforming the American Canon: African-Arabic Slave Narratives and the Vernacular, by Ronald A.T. Judy

Unlike some, I can provide reference when asked... :patriot:


I don't have any problem with the number of Americans in the prison system converting to Islam, that to me would only be natural. Many prisoners are in prison because they are violent, Islam is a far more violent faith than Christianity.
My question to you is. You made the statement that they are doing this because they are probably dreaming of Islam. Could you show us reports of these prisoners converting because of their dreams?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 07:11 am
@Campbell34,
[SIZE="3"]Why European women are turning to Islam[/SIZE]

By Peter Ford | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
from the December 27, 2005 edition
Why European women are turning to Islam | csmonitor.com
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 07:15 am
@SWORD of GOD,
[SIZE="3"]US Latinas seek answers in Islam[/SIZE]

[SIZE="2"]It surprises many of their friends and family, but some young US Latinas say Islam offers women more respect. [/SIZE]

By Christine Armario | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor

December 27, 2004 edition
US Latinas seek answers in Islam | csmonitor.com


UNION CITY, N.J. –
Jasmine Pinet sits on the steps outside a mosque here, tucking in strands of her burgundy hair beneath a white head scarf, and explaining why she, a young Latina, feels that she has found greater respect as a woman by converting to Islam.
"They're not gonna say, 'Hey mami, how are you?' " Ms. Pinet says of Muslim men. "Usually they say, 'Hello, sister.' And they don't look at you like a sex object."

While some Latinas her age try to emulate the tight clothes and wiggling hips of stars like Jennifer Lopez and Christina Aguilera, Ms. Pinet and others are adopting a more conservative lifestyle and converting to Islam. At this Union City, N.J., mosque, women account for more than half of the Latino Muslims who attend services here. Nationwide, there are about 40,000 Latino Muslims in the United States, according to the Islamic Society of North America.


Many of the Latina converts say that their belief that women are treated better in Islam was a significant factor in converting. Critics may protest that wearing the veil marks a woman as property, but some Latina converts say they welcome the fact that they are no longer whistled at walking down a street. "People have an innate response that I'm a religious person, and they give [me] more respect," says Jenny Yanez, another Latina Muslim. "You're not judged if you're in fashion or out of fashion."

Other Latina Muslims say they also like the religion's emphasis on fidelity to one's spouse and family.

But for many family members and friends, these conversions come as a surprise - often an unwelcome one. They may know little of Islam other than what they have heard of the Taliban and other extremist groups.

That creates an inaccurate image, insists Leila Ahmed, a professor of women's studies and religion at Harvard University. "It astounds me, the extent to which people think Afghanistan and the Taliban represent women and Islam." What's really going on, she says, is a reshaping of the relationship between women and Islam. "We're in the early stages of a major rethinking of Islam that will open Islam for women. [Muslim scholars] are rereading the core texts of Islam - from the Koran to legal texts - in every possible way."

New views of women and Islam may be more prevalent in countries like the US, where women read the Koran themselves and rely less on patriarchal interpretations.

"I think the women here are asserting more their rights and their privileges," says Zahid Bukhari, director of the American-Muslim Studies Program at George- town University. "

Some Latina Muslims say they harbored stereotypes about Muslim women before deciding to convert, but changed their minds once becoming close friends with a Muslim.

"I always thought, geez, I feel sorry for women who have to wear those veils," says Pinet. Then she met her Muslim boyfriend and began studying the Koran with a group of Muslim women. She says she was impressed with the respect they received.

"A women is respected because she is the mother, she takes care of the children, and she's the one that enforces the rules," Pinet says. "They're the ones who are sacred."

Critics of the decisions of Latinas to convert to Islam say they are adopting a religion just as patriarchical as the Roman Catholic faith that many are leaving behind.

"While it's true the Latino culture tends to be more male-dominated, and there's a tendency toward more machismo, I would venture to say it exists [in Islam] as well," says Edwin Hernandez, director of the Center for the Study of Latino Religion at the University of Notre Dame.

Latinos account for six percent of the 20,000 Muslim conversions in the United States each year, according to a report published by the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Anecdotal evidence suggests this number may be rising. But that doesn't mean it's getting any easier for the women who make this choice.

"At first it was anger and then more like sadness," Nylka Vargas says of her parents' reaction when she told them she was converting to Islam and began dressing more conservatively. "They would sometimes feel strange being around me."

Pinet's family has been more accepting, but she too has encountered some resistance in her community. It's as if you've betrayed your own kind," she says.

For some, the cultural differences are the most trying.

"I can't eat pork, I can't wear [form- fitting] clothing, I can't dance in the clubs, I'm not gonna attend church," says Ms. Yanez, who is of Cuban and Spanish descent. "But I keep my language, and there's still things that we do as Latinos that they don't have to change."

Within the Islamic community, Latina Muslims report being warmly received, although language barriers sometimes exist for Latinas who only speak Spanish. There are few Spanish services at mosques and a limited number of Islamic texts in Spanish.

Grassroots organizations specifically for Latino Muslims have been created in recent years. They function in part as an informational resource for new converts and but also as a support group for those who encounter difficulties at home.

Ultimately, Latina Muslims say that time heals the divisions and angst their conversion sometimes causes among friends and family.

"What I had to learn was patience," says Vargas, whose family came to accept her religious beliefs after several years. "Sometimes things are not as we want them."
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 07:25 am
@SWORD of GOD,
[SIZE="3"]ISLAM: The Fastest Growing Religion in The World [/SIZE]


Islamic Videos - ISLAM: The Fastest Growing Religion In The World
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JesusDiedForU
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 09:03 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;36237 wrote:
LOL...you -fanatic christians- are funny. You fabricate a naive lie from your twisted illusions then after repeating it several times you believe it yourselves! LOL. Keep dreaming and hallucinating till you wake up in Hellfire.

Wake up NOW and smell the coffee before it is too late!


The beauty of the world shows us that God is loving (He could have created a colorless and formless earth).

Jesus's example shows us the love of God (He could have came as an irregant man that dominated everyone, instead he came as a humble servant).

Suicide bombers in the name of Allah are not congruent with God's love.
mako cv
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 09:42 am
@JesusDiedForU,
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I don't have any problem with the number of Americans in the prison system converting to Islam, that to me would only be natural.
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Many prisoners are in prison because they are violent, Islam is a far more violent faith than Christianity.

Really? Looking at the histories of the two religions, I see no real difference. Christians have been killing each other and members of other religions for around 1700 years (and it continues still in the Balkans, Africa, and the Bible Belt) and Moslems have been killing each other and members of other religions for around 1500 years (and it continues in the Middle East, Europe and America still). If you can explain the difference of a Christian burning a heretic at the stake and a Moslem slicing the head of an infidel, by all means do so!

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Islam is a far more violent faith than Christianity.
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You made the statement that they are doing this because they are probably dreaming of Islam. Could you show us reports of these prisoners converting because of their dreams?
mlurp
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 09:58 am
@mako cv,
QUOTE "The entire history of Christianity is a conspiracy of lying for god. "Opps, i guess you lied. END of QUOTE:
Hello I'm a newer member and where better to place my foot and set my ideas. I fought for the rights of all my country men/women to have an opinion.
The opinion expressed above is lacking in FAITH of our Lord Jesus.

I read where some Muslims are getting a second chance (dreaming about Jesus) to give their faith to Jesus. Now that says a lot and is a warning to all non believers. But the choice is yours to make. I made it back in the Nam. My mother made sure I had it before then!
This is my first post. I hope it hasn't upset anyone. I just wanted each of you to know where I was coming from. I am grounded in the Bible and it's
hero, Jesus.
mlurp aka Mike....................................end transmission
mako cv
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 12:38 pm
@mlurp,
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But the choice is yours to make. I made it back in the Nam. My mother made sure I had it before then!
Red cv
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 06:13 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;36302 wrote:
I don't have any problem with the number of Americans in the prison system converting to Islam, that to me would only be natural. Many prisoners are in prison because they are violent, Islam is a far more violent faith than Christianity.
My question to you is. You made the statement that they are doing this because they are probably dreaming of Islam. Could you show us reports of these prisoners converting because of their dreams?



Not a comforting thought, hardcore criminals embracing a religion that is committing wholesale murder and slaughter world wide in the name of Allah. I believe we have the next wave of Terrorists in the making, only they are domestic in nature and violent by nature. :eek:
 

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