Jesus appearing to Muslims in their dreams.

@Campbell34,

Read the thread...all the answers are already there and I will not repeat them when all you have to do is read what is already posted! :patriot:

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@Campbell34,

So you think the Christians are conspiring this whole thing, got any evidence other then opinion?

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@mako cv,

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So you think the Christians are conspiring this whole thing, got any evidence other then opinion?

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@Campbell34,

Yeah, and so is every religion, including yours. You providing quotes does not constitute them as fact. You have provided nothing as to there truth? Or as some would put it, hearsay? How verified this? Got link?
Also being that there are 2.1 billion followers, i don't think eight or nine examples represent even a minute percentage of what you think is fact?

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@mako cv,

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Yeah, and so is every religion, including yours

Well, considering my religion is only about 200 years old and does not actively recruit members, does not have a dogma, scriptures, meetings, meeting places or any of the trappings that go with the revealed organized religions, I seriously doubt that we can be accused of lying for god.

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You providing quotes does not constitute them as fact. You have provided nothing as to there truth? Or as some would put it, hearsay?

Well, considering these quotes come from the acknowledged works and letters of these persons, it would be as close to the truth as they saw it as one could get without a time machine to go back and interview them in person. If you want to verify these, you can go to the library and look them up just as I did in the past, although most are available (in translated versions) on the Yale, Harvard, Princeton library websites and a goodly number of them are available on the Early Christian Writings website – after all, for the most part I gave you the author, the work, the volume and thus did the majority of the work for you.

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Also being that there are 2.1 billion followers, i don't think eight or nine examples represent even a minute percentage of what you think is fact?

How likely is a chicken to hatch from a chicken egg? How likely is an adherent of a religion, whose founders, movers and shakers and primary teachers advocated lying for the benefit of the religion, to lie for his god? In each case it probably would be 100%.
Now that you have shown everyone how witty, how conservative and how Christian you are, maybe we can get back on subject. :patriot:

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@mako cv,

mako;32074 wrote:

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Well, considering my religion is only about 200 years old and does not actively recruit members, does not have a dogma, scriptures, meetings, meeting places or any of the trappings that go with the revealed organized religions, I seriously doubt that we can be accused of lying for god.

Let me be the judge of that, you have already passed your judgement of us?

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Well, considering these quotes come from the acknowledged works and letters of these persons,

Acknowledged does not constitute fact.

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it would be as close to the truth as they saw it

Close wasn't good enough for you, why should it be good enough for me?

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without a time machine to go back and interview them in person.

This is, as with most of your statements is fantasy, i must figure you have a problem drawing a line?

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If you want to verify these, you can go to the library and look them up just as I did in the past,

Don't i remember just recently you stating that is was not up to you to verify? Now you want me to do your homework, hypocritical at the very least?

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Nope, sorry. As with your statement to Cambell, it is you that must provide the information!

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How likely is a chicken to hatch from a chicken egg?

Most every time if it's fertilized.

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How likely is an adherent of a religion, whose founders, movers and shakers and primary teachers advocated lying for the benefit of the religion, to lie for his god?

You have provided only 8 or 9 instances, you need alot more if you want to prove any kind of conspriracy? As compared to 2.1 billions followers, what do you think your percentage is?

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Now that you have shown everyone how witty, how conservative and how Christian you are, maybe we can get back on subject. :patriot

You ain't seen nothing yet bud. You answering my questions will go far as to knowing what you want to know about me. Lets see if you can stay on subject as well?

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@mako cv,

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Let me be the judge of that, you have already passed your judgement of us?

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Acknowledged does not constitute fact.

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Close wasn't good enough for you, why should it be good enough for me?

Your choice mate, but acceptable by all but the most irascible and punctilious. LOL:p

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This is, as with most of your statements is fantasy, i must figure you have a problem drawing a line?

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Don't i remember just recently you stating that is was not up to you to verify? Now you want me to do your homework, hypocritical at the very least?

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Nope, sorry. As with your statement to Cambell, it is you that must provide the information!

No, it was to you in this case and being the high powered media analyst that you claim, you surely can access those library sites. LOL:dance2:

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Most every time if it's fertilized.

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You have provided only 8 or 9 instances, you need alot more if you want to prove any kind of conspriracy? As compared to 2.1 billions followers, what do you think your percentage is?

First, if I were to give more than just 8 or nine representative examples the Webmaster and Moderators would be very unhappy with the waste of bandwidth, second, I gave a span of abut 1700 years to show that this predilection of Christians for lying for god has not tempered over the centuries/millennia, third, I never said there was a conspiracy, only that there was a history of lying for god among Christians and that anything said about their religion needed to be confirmed with non-Christian sources. Please learn to read correctly. LOL :backtotopic:

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You ain't seen nothing yet bud. You answering my questions will go far as to knowing what you want to know about me. Lets see if you can stay on subject as well?

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@Campbell34,

What matters is how this affects the person and the community. Some people need such dreams and revelations to give them the courage to deny the obvious benefits of an unlawfull life. It would be very amusing if these newly converted began to severly criticize the actions of their fellow christians. Someone said that there were such things taking other forms aswell, perfectly understandable we are inherently unique, why wouldn't our terms and needs for "salvation" be equally as diferent.

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@Campbell34,

Damn, mark. Haven't seen you around in a while, you must of found a life, LOL.

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@Campbell34,

I've been doing a little traveling, but it is good to be back. How's things around here?

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@mako cv,

I'm not surprised Muslims are seeing the one true God, who ever that is it isn't Allah.

I believe Islam is one giant hoax and it's being used to control it's followers by enforcing the literate translation of the Koran. Seven century ethos to benifit filthy immoral rich Arabs, and Prussian and Africians ELITESTS. Using blind devotion to a fake god has worked wonders in controlling millions of people. Keep them uneducated, unemployed, the only thing they have in common is the Koran. A powerful tool to call up an army of fighters when the elite and the weathy Muslims need to enforce their agenda. It's been working for centurys but I think time will show Islam is not a religion but a cult. A dangerous cult that is growing daily, Islam is OPECS personal army.

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@markx15,

markx15;32300 wrote:

I've been doing a little traveling, but it is good to be back. How's things around here?

You missed all the fireworks with Aaronssongs, he came and left and came again and then left again, LOL. And ranted all the while he was hear.

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@Campbell34,

Lol, did he manage to change any minds before he left?

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@Red cv,

Red;32316 wrote:

I'm not surprised Muslims are seeing the one true God, who ever that is it isn't Allah.

I believe Islam is one giant hoax and it's being used to control it's followers by enforcing the literate translation of the Koran. Seven century ethos to benifit filthy immoral rich Arabs, and Prussian and Africians ELITESTS. Using blind devotion to a fake god has worked wonders in controlling millions of people. Keep them uneducated, unemployed, the only thing they have in common is the Koran. A powerful tool to call up an army of fighters when the elite and the weathy Muslims need to enforce their agenda. It's been working for centurys but I think time will show Islam is not a religion but a cult. A dangerous cult that is growing daily, Islam is OPECS personal army.

Blah blah blah, and blah blah, some more blah blah , and finaly BLAAAAAAH , am not surprised you believed it outright without even checking the links :eek: it suits your understanding of the muslim world , your understanding of Islam can suit christianity too , just exchange the word Islam with christianity and see the result :wtf: amazing isnot it Razz

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@mako cv,

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As the bard said, “Lay on MacDuff, Lay on and be damned” LOL
Nice side step.

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Did I ever say “fact”?
You just did, liar.

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Your choice mate, but acceptable by all but the most irascible and punctilious. LOL:p
Got any evidence to backup your statement?

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You have something against fantasy…are you bigoted towards the fantastic? LOL:ban:
No, just a none believer of it, unlike you.

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I gave you the sources,
Got link? I saw you quote some examples but i doubt if you've verified them? Remember your own words. "Evidence must be substantiated by verifiable sources not by biased and, all too often often, exaggerated stories from sources that are vague or un-named." Now those sources you were talking about were?

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No, it was to you in this case and being the high powered media analyst that you claim, you surely can access those library sites. LOL:dance2:
What library sites?
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Yeah, my bad..I should have specified that…but then I didn’t know you were not capable of understanding implication. LOL:rollinglaugh:
Im very capable, i just chose not to where liars are concerned.

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I never said there was a conspiracy, only that there was a history of lying for god
"The entire history of Christianity is a conspiracy of lying for god. " Opps, i guess you lied.
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and that anything said about their religion needed to be confirmed with non-Christian sources.
So anything you say about your religion needs to be verified by a non-muslim? So who do you say wrote your Quran? Cause i'm gaonn need to verify this, i hope you have more then your second hand opinion?

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I gave a span of abut 1700 years to show that this predilection of Christians for lying for god has not tempered over the centuries/millennia,
Looks to me you needed to span 1700 to make a point, that probably all you got.
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Well, what I have seen isn’t very impressive and as far as I am concerned you are at best a poseur and at worst that term that Jesus said woud doom you to Hell. LOL
Are you capable of verifing who wrote your Quran?

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@mako cv,

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Nice side step

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You just did, liar.

Har de har har, you are such a riot.

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Got any evidence to backup your statement?

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No, just a none believer of it, unlike you.

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@mako cv,

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Got link? I saw you quote some examples but i doubt if you've verified them? Remember your own words. "Evidence must be substantiated by verifiable sources not by biased and, all too often often, exaggerated stories from sources that are vague or un-named." Now those sources you were talking about were?