Glad you made it back from ‘Nam, Bro. 428 combat missions, Forward Air Control, Central Highlands, in 2 back to back tours. Didn’t need an Asiatic superstition (note to mods, my personal opinion) then and still don’t need one – just to let you know where I am coming from. If it is your bag, I am glad for you, but count me out – see no real difference between any of Abraham’s bloody children. :patriot:
That is only 35,000 out of 135,000 conversions from Christianity to Islam annually in America?Why would the others have converted?
Really? Looking at the histories of the two religions, I see no real difference. Christians have been killing each other and members of other religions for around 1700 years (and it continues still in the Balkans, Africa, and the Bible Belt) and Moslems have been killing each other and members of other religions for around 1500 years (and it continues in the Middle East, Europe and America still). If you can explain the difference of a Christian burning a heretic at the stake and a Moslem slicing the head of an infidel, by all means do so!
Thus spake Jesus know as the Christ:
?I have come to set fire to the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!?
?You must not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.?
?and if he has no sword, let him sell his cloak to buy one.?
Sounds like some serious agitation for violence to me?Peaceful religion? No more so than Islam! LOL
My exact statement was, ?I have heard of Christians converting to Islam after dreaming of Mohammed and others dreaming of the Buddha and converting to Buddhism.? I never said there were written reports, just word of mouth among the Correctional staff members and the convicts and is no more verifiable than your original reports, which are at best third hand reports with no verifiable names, places or times. The state of Texas keeps no data on why offenders convert to this religion or that religion, just the numbers that converted to specific religions. Incidentally, I could find no instances of Islamic inmates converting to Christianity?I dunno, does that make a point? :patriot:
I was in the 173 ABN. BDE. Dak-to both times in 1967.
I don't judge just saying what works for me.
Now remember all, I am not a judge or trying to start something with any Religion
because the Bible predicts that near the end of time there will be a great falling away from the truth of the Bible.
There are thousands of Christian projects around the earth trying to help and lift up the down and outs
And it appears the only thing you do see, took place hundreds of years ago by those who had more political ambitions then Christian love. And this may be news to you, but Christians are not burning heretics today, Muslims are still cutting off heads.
Jesus did say He came to take peace away from the earth, but He did not tell His followers to cut off heads
it was the Muslims that stabbed his son with a spear, and burned his house to the ground.
I gave organizations and from there you could of made contacts
Her name is Bilouis Sheikh, and she also converted to the Christian faith because of dreams she had of Jesus. She published a book of her experiences called. "I dare to call Him Father"
LOL, the bible also says that insects have 4 legs, the earth is flat. sits on pillars and rabbits chew their cud and lots of other silly things.
And the end result is they will attempt to convert those being helped from their cultural religion to Christianity, without thought of what will happen to them, Not a nice thing when you consider that most cultures will react violently to those that converted! As far as your projects, the Muslims have probably as many projects, Christianity doesn?t have a monopoly on charity ? it is after all a very human quality?here are a very few of the Muslim charities:
Muslim Hands
Islamic Relief
Islamic American Zakat Foundation
Internation Islamic Charitable Organization
QAAFA Aid Worldwide
American Red Crescent Inc
Az Zaitoon Pathan Foundation & Trust
Badr for Relief and Development
Benevolence International Foundation
Care International
Health Resource Center for Palestine, Inc
Help the Needy
Fund for Afghan Relief and Development (under ICNA)
Global Relief Foundation
Gulf Medical Relief Fund, Inc.
Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF)
HOPE International Relief and Development Agency
ICNA Relief/Helping Hand
IKRE Fund (NY Branch)
Indian Muslim Relief Committee (IMRC) of ISNA
International Relief Association
Islamic African Relief Agency - USA (IARA-USA)
Islamic-American Zakat Foundation
Islamic Call Organization
Your attempt to show the superiority of Christianity over Islam by citing charities doesn?t wash.
Although I served in Vietnam, I did not get out of the military until 1988, after which I worked for the military as an intelligence specialist. I was attached to an American unit operating under the UN and NATO in the Balkans. On one of our missions, we encountered a Moslem village that had been taken by force and burned with all of the inhabitants shot to death by Christian militia ? all part of Christian Serbia?s attempt at ?Ethnic Cleansing? by eradicating all Moslems in the Balkans?Hardly something that took place centuries ago. Areas of Africa are seeing both Muslims killing Christians and Christians killing Muslims and Pagans. Both religions are violent and can be very dangerous to those that don?t agree with them and while burning heretics has gone out of style, death camps, lynchings, beating to death, bombings and ethnic cleansings are the current rage among the extremists and even some of the not so extremist. I still say show me the difference between the two religions ? they are two of Abraham?s three bloody children!
Then why did he want them to have swords?
Since the Moslems are currently in their equivalent of the Dark Ages, we can compare the reaction of Christians, during the Dark Ages, to a Christian converting to another religion. They would have burned him/her at the stake, along with the family, who would have been contaminated by that individual?s conversion! Again, I see no real difference between Christianity and Islam or any superiority of Christianity.
The only answers I got was requests for donations! I am still getting them and wish I had a way to stop them! As I said ? no more valid than word of mouth!
One person does not make ?many are converting"?especially since this happened in 1966?hardly recent! :patriot:
Pleiku, 21st Tactical Air Support Squadron (Forward Air Control) from 1965 to 1967, I missed Tet and ain?t sad about it! Had enough Charlies shooting at me as it was, danged O1E (L-19 to the Army) was low and slow so Charlie thought we were a flying target. I?ve counted 20 or 30 bullet holes in the aircraft on more than one mission, so I can imagine what the little ?Bird Dog? woulda looked like after a Tet mission?glad I wasn?t there ? sorry you had to be! I love your statement ?I survived because of Tet?I have a few buddies who say they survived despite Tet?LOL
Nor do I, I am a 3rd generation Deist. I understand that most people want more from their religion, so I take the stand that if that is what rings your bell, then that is what you need and power to you. All I ask is that you reciprocate.
Nor am I. As a Deist, I take the usual Deist stance on any and all organized revealed religions. We consider them one step above superstitions and consider the rituals involved to be little better than shamanism, but yes, there are certain organized religions that currently are worse than the others. Islam has the potential to be worse thing that ever happened to mankind, unless the average adherent has the guts to put his foot down and tell the extremists to sit down and shut up! Strangely, when the western world was going through the dark ages, Islamic scholars were the intellectual lights of the world. After all, it was they who introduced the concept of zero into western mathematics as well as our current number system. :patriot:
The Bible actually tells us the earth floats on nothing.
And out of those Islamic charities I wonder how much of that money goes into the hands of those who would destroy us
Christians are not cutting off heads and vowing to wipe Israel off the map,
if you think I'm buying into your ethnic clensing arguement forget it
I'm sorry people who call themselves Christians and murder will not be found in God's Kingdom.
You can't tell the difference between a Christian or a Moslem because you don't want to see a difference.
And I don't believe it matters to you if Jesus is appearing to Moslems in their dreams, because I believe for you it is easier to believe He is not
I was in Plek iu just before the Hills of Dak To. I remember mud and a metal
air strip. And Mr. charles taking a few shots at us. lol
But the Centeral Highlands were trouble for us in the end. A lot of good men never came back from that area.
Only in one place?Job 26.7 (He stretcheth out the north over the empty place and hangeth the earth upon nothing). Yet Job 9:6 talks of the pillars of the earth. Strangely, Job is not a Hebrew but is from Edom and the roots of the story are Edomite. Even then the overall story seems to be Sumerian. The eminent Sumerologist, Samuel N. Kramer provided a translation of a Sumerian text in his ?History Begins At Sumer: Thirty-Nine ?Firsts? in Recorded History? that is a parallel to the biblical story of Job, yet centuries older than the Hebrews. Even then, Psalms 75:3 make mention of the pillars of the Earth and 1 Samuel 2:8 is even more specific, stating: ??? for the pillars of the earth are the Lord?s, and he hath set the world upon them.? Just a side note ? Job 26:11 has heaven on pillars too and Job 37:18 has the sky as strong and glass like?.Like I have been pointing out, the bible contradicts itself and is full of silly ideas of how things are.
And I wonder how many of those Christian charities are siphoning money into the Christian militias that are such a danger to the internal security of this country. I know that some have been tied to these folks.
No, they are just invading countries looking for non-existent WMDs! How many innocent Iraqis have been killed either directly or indirectly and how does that compare to the number of non-Muslims who have been beheaded by extremists? Don?t get me wrong ? as a member of the U.S. Military establishment, I support our troops completely, but I do feel that the Iraq incursion is just another Vietnam with much less justification.
Really doesn?t matter whether you buy it or not?it is how the rest of the non-Christian world perceives your religion.
Since that seems to be the norm for the adherents of your religion from the very first time they managed to seize secular power to the very present, it would seem that there will be very few Christians in Heaven. Probably will be a lot of Atheists, Agnostics, Deists, Jews, and others ? BUT very few Christians, most would be considered accomplices if nothing else. Interrogation of the survivors of the Serbian Christian Militia indicated that they were just as sure they were following the dictates of Christianity as you are sure you are.
Actually, I can?t see the difference because there really isn?t any difference?both religions have a founder that basically teaches a salvation of heavenly love, both teach love for others and almost none of their adherents really practice what is taught ? so what is the difference? There is no such thing as a true Moslem or a true Christian, it seems that each very small group has a different explanation of their rather vague ?holy? writings and each little group thinks all the other groups are wrong..again, what is the difference?
No, wrong again?I don?t care if Jesus is appearing to Moslems in their dreams. It really means nothing more than the goat eyeballs they had for supper didn?t set right with them. In order for it to be more than that, Jesus would have to be appearing in the dreams of EVERY Moslem in world EVERY night! Anything else is just indigestion or an overactive pineal gland, nothing more. :patriot:
There fore YQXM means " a molten like pillar. The earth floats on molten rock.
Job 37:18 states the sky is strong, and as a molten glass? This may be a reference to it's appearence and not trying to get the reader to believe its actually made of glass
I don't believe one can understand these verses without first looking into the wording a little closer. What may be silly to you may only be silly because of a lack of understanding on your part.
Please don't blame the Christian faith for the Iraq war.
we are not a Christian Nation
a nation that has murdered 60 million of it's own children by abortion.
Their may be Christians here in America but there appears to be a lot more non christians supporting evil than good.
And Jesus is not going to appear in the dreams of every Moslem in the world, because it appears He only appears in the dreams of Moslems that are truly seeking God.
Moslems believe that goodworks may help you to get to heaven, but Christ tells us your best works are but filthy rags before the throne of God.
So you are right, few people will be in heaven and only those who follow Christ with their heart will be found there.
Not so fast there, molten can also have the meaning ?made by melting and casting? which would mean something entirely different that what you purpose. Also, the Earth (and the Hebrew word used means ?world? not ?ground? or ?surface?) does not float upon molten rock, it floats in space. The only way that your ?the earth floats on molten rock? would be valid is with the ancient concept of a flat circular, 4 cornered earth sitting on pillars. Which is what I pointed out before.
No, if that were the case, it would say ?and with the appearance of a molten glass? Even Bronze Age savages would make that distinction if that is what they meant.
You turned that back on yourself and made quite a point! Better luck next time! LOL
And why not? A conservative Christian administration, supported and elected primarily by conservative Christians, started the war; calling publicly on the support of the Christian God. Sounds like the Christians are too blame for the war and consequently all the bad that comes from it!
That is not what 97% of your fellow American Christians say! They are quick to trot out the Mayflower Compact and other dusty documents in an attempt to show how America is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles?LOL
Did you know that the first Christians, like the Romans, Greeks, Jews and others of that period, believed that the soul did not enter the child until birth (some even claimed until after the 1st year of life). Those were not children aborted, but instead fetuses, that may or may not have survived to full term. While I personally do not really believe in abortion for convenience, I do not assign a cultural stigma to the act. It is the decision of the mother, it is her body, not some blue-nosed fanatic who is totally unwilling to provide for the child if it did make it to birth. It is between her and her Creator (not to be confused with YHWH/Jehovah/Allah).
I love how the Christians crow about having such control over our nation, but never ever accept the responsibility for any bad that might occur. I guess it is the evil non-Christians that have lynched the Afro-Americans for precieved crimes such as having the audacity of looking at a white woman. It was the evil non-Christians that attempted genocide against the Native Americans, that forced the remnants into ?Reservations? where the land was so poor that they starved or took the Christian?s charity, ending up impoverished and hopeless. It was the evil non-Christians that forced American citizens of Japanese extraction into prison camps and confiscated their property, selling it to other non-Christians and holding these Japanese Americans unlawfully for 4 or 5 years. Us non-Christians are soooo very evil ? NOT! Accept your guilt along with the rest of us!
And you know this how? Seems a bit of a cop out to me! LOL Typical of those with no real answer. As I said, for this dream crap to be anything more than just more religionist crap, Jesus would have to be appearing to every Moslem every night, otherwise it can be seen as nothing more than a religious urban legend.
I think a religion that emphasizes good works is superior to a religion whose primary requirement is belief in a person that is supposedly the son of god, that allows members to do bad things, as long as they sincerely ask forgiveness. Theoretically Joseph Stalin (who was raised as Russian Orthodox) could be sitting in heaven right now if he had prayed sincerely for forgiveness before he died! Wouldn?t help all of those poor victims of his regime, but he would be sitting in Heaven, living it up! Sorry, I find the Moslem salvation by good works to be much superior morally?can?t say I approve of their killing non-believers, but then I don?t approve of Christian ethnic genocide either?something they have quite a background in.
Shows how ?loving? your all-knowing god is, allowing folk to be born, fully knowing this person is going to Hell?seems he creates people just to torture them for all eternity ? sounds more like a demon of Hell instead of a loving God. LOL :patriot:
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Jesus tells us that we would know true believers by their works,
LOL, the bible also says that insects have 4 legs, the earth is flat. sits on pillars and rabbits chew their cud and lots of other silly things.
And the end result is they will attempt to convert those being helped from their cultural religion to Christianity, without thought of what will happen to them, Not a nice thing when you consider that most cultures will react violently to those that converted! As far as your projects, the Muslims have probably as many projects, Christianity doesn?t have a monopoly on charity ? it is after all a very human quality?here are a very few of the Muslim charities:
Muslim Hands
Islamic Relief
Islamic American Zakat Foundation
Internation Islamic Charitable Organization
QAAFA Aid Worldwide
American Red Crescent Inc
Az Zaitoon Pathan Foundation & Trust
Badr for Relief and Development
Benevolence International Foundation
Care International
Health Resource Center for Palestine, Inc
Help the Needy
Fund for Afghan Relief and Development (under ICNA)
Global Relief Foundation
Gulf Medical Relief Fund, Inc.
Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF)
HOPE International Relief and Development Agency
ICNA Relief/Helping Hand
IKRE Fund (NY Branch)
Indian Muslim Relief Committee (IMRC) of ISNA
International Relief Association
Islamic African Relief Agency - USA (IARA-USA)
Islamic-American Zakat Foundation
Islamic Call Organization
Your attempt to show the superiority of Christianity over Islam by citing charities doesn?t wash.
Although I served in Vietnam, I did not get out of the military until 1988, after which I worked for the military as an intelligence specialist. I was attached to an American unit operating under the UN and NATO in the Balkans. On one of our missions, we encountered a Moslem village that had been taken by force and burned with all of the inhabitants shot to death by Christian militia ? all part of Christian Serbia?s attempt at ?Ethnic Cleansing? by eradicating all Moslems in the Balkans?Hardly something that took place centuries ago. Areas of Africa are seeing both Muslims killing Christians and Christians killing Muslims and Pagans. Both religions are violent and can be very dangerous to those that don?t agree with them and while burning heretics has gone out of style, death camps, lynchings, beating to death, bombings and ethnic cleansings are the current rage among the extremists and even some of the not so extremist. I still say show me the difference between the two religions ? they are two of Abraham?s three bloody children!
Then why did he want them to have swords?
Since the Moslems are currently in their equivalent of the Dark Ages, we can compare the reaction of Christians, during the Dark Ages, to a Christian converting to another religion. They would have burned him/her at the stake, along with the family, who would have been contaminated by that individual?s conversion! Again, I see no real difference between Christianity and Islam or any superiority of Christianity.
The only answers I got was requests for donations! I am still getting them and wish I had a way to stop them! As I said ? no more valid than word of mouth!
One person does not make ?many are converting"?especially since this happened in 1966?hardly recent! :patriot:
I am not aware of the verse that says anything about the child in the womb...could you give it to me? I am willing to admit that I am wrong about that, but after I read the verse and the context.
Since God blames all mankind for Adam and Eve's sin (Original Sin), it would stand to reason that ALL Christians take the blame for those the sinned through the acts of genocide, theft (after all, even the "good" Christians profitted by the "bad" Christians actions), lynching and such! So yes, since it wasn't Moslems, Buddhists, Taoists or Hindu's that perpetrated these crimes against fellow humans, I blame the Christians. My native ancestors were quite content until the Europeans came and killed them and stole their lands and treasures. :patriot:
But of all these cololections agency why is the muslim one of the poorest of peoples. So some or most goes to graft and arms. IMHO....
The verse in question is Exodus chapter 21 verses 22 to 25.
Yet I would find it hard to lump all Christians as being guilty for their down fall.
I had understood that the native indians did away with the mound builders before them. Any take on that?
The verse in question is Exodus chapter 21 verses 22 to 25.
I know your native ancestors took it on the chin. Yet I would find it hard to lump all Christians as being guilty for their down fall. I had understood that the native indians did away with the mound builders before them. Any take on that?
