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wow, "we can never be defeated...". I guess mexico has a short term memory loss. mexico was defeated, and emberassed. The ex president of mexico's sword is in texas state capitol on display......as silverware.!!! :headbang: :FU1: :cussing: I don't have a single problem with LEGAL imagration. we all came from somewhere else(except those of us who are from a native tribe). But making it a point to dissrespect OUR country....I will not stand for that!!! I would like to see someone do something like that here in texas, or anywhere i can see them!!! My family has fought to defend this country for many generations, and is currently doing so. I will not see my family dissrespected like that, nor anyone elses in that manner.:rocketwhore:

I like the post. I've expressed my opinion on several items in the original post and tried to seperate them for clarity. Those items in quotes are from the original post.

"How many people are aware of the criminal alien problem we have?"

I think that crime and illegal "aliens" are seperate issues.

"In California there was a group of criminals who took down the American flag and the californian flag and replaced them with a mexican flag.?!"

My response:

Those who replaced the American flag with a Mexican one, I don't care what country you are from, did that act violate the law?

"Isn't replacing a nations flag with another nations flag concidered an act of war?"

My response:

If the acting of replacing the American flag by a select few individuals, is cause for us to assume Mexico is declaring war on the United States, then our country has much larger problems then illegal immigration. Or would it be considered an act of war by those individuals? If so, it may be a quick war.

Your position:
"I've heard this from many LEGAL mexicans, mexico is going to try to take the border states back. I don't know if you realize this, BUT THEY ARE!!!"

Exactly which LEGAL mexicans are you listening to? Obviously I'm not asking for names. But are they government sources, prominent mexican american citizens, are they a majority of mexicans, do they belong to a mexican organization that supports taking over the border states. Or are they a few people with whom you've had casual conversations? I would hate for the US to declare war on Mexico based on the assumption they were trying to annex our borders states. Or declare any war based on an assumption.

Perhaps there is documented evidence regarding the Mexican government's agenda to annex the border states. I would love it if you could provide that info.

Here are some of my theories:

I think to tackle this issue we must look to who benefits from illegal immigration and how does it burden and benefit American society.

I theorize business owners benefit the most from illegal immigration through cheap labor. Perhaps a prime example would be in California, crop pickers, strawberries, lettuce, etc. Not sure how many Americans want that job, or even the restaurant dishwasher job, etc. So, if we make all employment only available to those of a legal status, we may make headway. Employers should be held accountable and penalized by hiring illegal labor.

The burden on American society - only those with legal status should obtain an education. We then hold educational institutions accountable for admitting only legal status students.

Our defunct healthcare system. I further propose that unless a visit to an emergency room is truly life threatening, we should turn away those who do not have legal status. I would further propose we station immigration agents at hospitals to verify status.

To attack the immigration issue at the border is a daunting task and I would say limited in scope. To truly solve it through legal non-racist or discrimination may be an even more difficult task, but in the long run, may be a solution to an over 200 year old American issue.

Now, this does not address the "refuge" status of some immigrants, those fleeing their countries, war, genocide, etc. That is a seperate topic.
I firmly believe in the inscription on the base of the Statue of Liberty: Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

"And none of our leaders are doing anything about it, short from kissing the feet of every criminal alien in this country."

Our leaders have addressed the issue since 1790:
1790 Naturalization rule adopted. Federal government establishes a two-year residency requirement on immigrants wishing to become U.S. citizens.

Some more current:

1980 Refugee Act. A system is developed to handle refugees as a class separate from other immigrants.

1986
Immigration Reform and Control Act.

1990
Immigration Act of 1990.

1996
Immigration Act. In an effort to curb illegal immigration, Congress votes to double the U.S. Border Patrol to 10,000 agents over five years and mandates the construction of fences at the most heavily trafficked areas of the U.S.-Mexico border. Congress also approves a pilot program to check the immigration status of job applicants.

1996 Immigrants lose benefits. President Clinton signs welfare reform bill that cuts many social programs for immigrants

As far as the most current laws, I am a bit unclear. I have seen news reports regarding increased walls, increased border patrol officers and even some individual americans defending our borders.

I assume when you say kissing the feet of every criminal alien, you mean our political leaders are appeasing a small group of convicted non American citizen individuals who do not have the American right to vote for them. Whomever these leaders are, hopefully there is an election soon.

Illegal immigration is a form of warfare used to weaken or paralyze the United States of America and subvert the government, laws, and values of the nation. The laws of the United States of America should be changed to prevent people who enter the country illegally from becoming United States citizens and prevent any children born to people who have entered the United States illegally from becoming citizens of the United States of America.

With 911, this situation is exacerbated. Terrorism is a form of proxy warfare. Terrorists are proxies of nation state sponsors. Terrorists see the systems built in the USA to support illegal immigration as a systemic flaw to be exploited to enable infiltration of the continental US. If you know anything about the purpose of infiltration or the ability of infiltrators to accomplish their aims, then you can take it from there.

Volunteer, well said or rather written.

Yes , very well stated.

Tell me about it. We just returned from a weekend in Corpus Christi. That place is one MEZZICANIZED MOHAMMER, lemme tell ya. We went to a Spanish Mass and drew some seriously ominous stares.

well lets see....i have a job that demands the majority of my time, so i don't have alot of time to write out and paraphrase everything that i want to say. mama's boy=sissy
pillow bitter=coward
bed wetter=also probably coward
I don't need a long and drawn out explanation of everything i say to try and sound intellegent.

Kissing the feet of the mexican president-G.W. Bush caving in when the President of mexico called him and demanded that an american police officer shot a few illegals who were shooting at him, also here in texas. I don't remember the exact dates of these instances, altho there have been more than one. So now the great men and women who inforce the law of this country are being punished for doing thier job....wich ties into my other thread.

My God you wrote so much i don't even remember what was next....

Ivy league know nothings.....People who believe that since they went to an ivy league college, they know everything. Those who believe they are an elite class. There are quite a few college boys in my company who went to college for that specific job and know absolutely nothing about it. You can read all of the books you want on a subject and still not understand it. Those guys are screwing up our company like alot of these Ivy league poloticians are screwing up our government. I'm just a simple little lubrical technician/mechanic. I could have gone to college and got thier job, but quit honestly....I don't want it. I'd rather get dirty and know just by looking at an oil analysis report what is wrong with a piece of machienery, what is about to break, and so forth. I didn't need college for that. I like the idea of keeping the machines that are building this city running. Where the other "educated" people, (i used this word lightly)"KNOW" they are doing it.

I know my spelling is going to be off here, but i'm tired and i don't care.

Oh and to go deeper into the pillow bitter, bed wetter, ect. This discribes those of our fellow Americans who are obssesed with being diverse and tollerant. If someone is screwing up they need to be told they are screwing up. If someone is going to shoot at a cop, they need to be shot. If someone is leaching off of the government, they need to be cutt off. If someone is black they are black, if someone is a mexican they are a mexican, if someone is white they are white. I don't need someone to tell me what i can and can not call someone. If i am describing a man who is black, i am going to say yeah that black man the other day.....whatever. I feel as if the Government is overstepping it's bounderies. I'm not worried about hurting someones feelings. Like i said before...if something offends you, that probably means it is true. Either you don't want to admit it to yourself, or your just ignoring that little voice of reason inside your head that is telling you, You are black, or you are white, or whatever the case.....then again there are just some people who want to use it for financial gain, or popularity. I can't believe i am writting this much.

About the LEGAL mexicans, They have said it for years, I have been hearing this since i moved here to texas. So to answer the question, It is numerous conversations i have had with mexicans in the past 15 years since i have been in texas, Probably none as informative or in depth than the last 8 years or so. And most of the guys i takled to were older gentlemen. They hate the fact that they had to wait 3 to 10 years to become Legal and these people are just comming here and claiming residency, leeching off the government, and dissrespecting the government that is allowing them to do so. These men may fly a mexican flag on thier rear views, But they also fly an American flag much larger on thier antenna. Also they would never take down an American flag to replace it with a mexican flag. There have been many instances where illegals have burned American flags, or replaced them with a mexican flag. The instance i noted was just the most recent to my knowledge. No i don't have exact dates. There are too many things going on to remember the exact dates to everything that happens. I know you are banking on this to try to disscredit everything i have said...but oh well. Hopefully people will try and find these type of instances on thier own and not just take my word for it. That is what all of this is about is it not. Everyone has heard of these types of things happening. They don't need my dates and sources to know that. If anything i hope to strike that memory. But i respect your opinions as well.

I agree. Sometimes I overexplain. Fortunately my occupation allows me time to post moer often.

I was simply asking for clarification. Nothing more.

Kissing the feet of the mexican president-G.W. Bush caving in when the President of mexico called him and demanded that an american police officer shot a few illegals who were shooting at him, also here in texas. I don't remember the exact dates of these instances, altho there have been .

I now understand you view.

Ivy league know nothings.....People who believe that since they went to an ivy league college, they know everything. Those who believe they are an elite class. There are quite a few college boys in my company who went to college for that specific job and know absolutely nothing about it. You can read all of the books you want on a subject and still not understand it. Those guys are screwing up our company like alot of these Ivy league poloticians are screwing up our government. I'm just a simple little lubrical technician/mechanic. I could have gone to college and got thier job, but quit honestly....I don't want it. I'd rather get dirty and know just by looking at an oil analysis report what is wrong with a piece of machienery, what is about to break, and so forth. I didn't need college for that. I like the idea of keeping the machines that are building this city running. Where the other "educated" people, (i used this word lightly)"KNOW" they are doing it.


I disagree.

"Ivy league know nothings"

I disagree. Ivy League University Alumni do know some things, I would hope so, have you seen the cost of tuition? (you do not have to answer, sarcasm). FYI: I did not graduate from an Ivy League school.

I dont label people based on a certifcate of merit. And certificate of merit to me only means, you paid an educational institution money to teach you something.

As far as the rest of the paragraph, I completely agree.

"I know my spelling is going to be off here, but i'm tired and i don't care."

I not grading your posts, I dont care.

"Oh and to go deeper into the pillow bitter, bed wetter, ect. This discribes those of our fellow Americans who are obssesed with being diverse and tollerant. If someone is screwing up they need to be told they are screwing up. If someone is going to shoot at a cop, they need to be shot. If someone is leaching off of the government, they need to be cutt off. If someone is black they are black, if someone is a mexican they are a mexican, if someone is white they are white. I don't need someone to tell me what i can and can not call someone. If i am describing a man who is black, i am going to say yeah that black man the other day.....whatever. I feel as if the Government is overstepping it's bounderies. I'm not worried about hurting someones feelings. Like i said before...if something offends you, that probably means it is true. Either you don't want to admit it to yourself, or your just ignoring that little voice of reason inside your head that is telling you, You are black, or you are white, or whatever the case.....then again there are just some people who want to use it for financial gain, or popularity. "

You are welcome to see some people that way. I would say, if something offends you, either it is true or you need to ask more questions.

"I can't believe i am writting this much"

I can.

"About the LEGAL mexicans, They have said it for years, I have been hearing this since i moved here to texas. So to answer the question, It is numerous conversations i have had with mexicans in the past 15 years since i have been in texas, Probably none as informative or in depth than the last 8 years or so. And most of the guys i takled to were older gentlemen. They hate the fact that they had to wait 3 to 10 years to become Legal and these people are just comming here and claiming residency, leeching off the government, and dissrespecting the government that is allowing them to do so. These men may fly a mexican flag on thier rear views, But they also fly an American flag much larger on thier antenna. Also they would never take down an American flag to replace it with a mexican flag. There have been many instances where illegals have burned American flags, or replaced them with a mexican flag. The instance i noted was just the most recent to my knowledge. No i don't have exact dates. There are too many things going on to remember the exact dates to everything that happens. I know you are banking on this to try to disscredit everything i have said...but oh well. Hopefully people will try and find these type of instances on thier own and not just take my word for it. That is what all of this is about is it not. Everyone has heard of these types of things happening. They don't need my dates and sources to know that. If anything i hope to strike that memory"

Thank you for clarification. I truly did not understand you view. I maybe should have asked you more specific questions, regarding your age, race, etc. I do not truly care about those things. Or maybe I could have learned more from your introduction as I attempted to clarify my world view there. Maybe I have not checked and am still new to the site. I try to be specific in what I post as we primarily communicate, on this post, with words.

"But i respect your opinions as well."

And I yours. I even go so far as respecting you as an individual with free thoughts. Perhaps the tone of my previous post was based on wrong assumptions.

Haha, Well i'm sure they are well educated in the subjects they study, just have trouble putting it into action when it comes time to. Mostly just an observation tho. I mean, you can study war untill you are blue in the face, but untill you have actually been a part of it.....you know nothing about it. And war changes way to quickly and often for anyone to be an expert at it....I'm sure you've heard or thought this at some point, it's kind of the same logic or reasoning.

by the way i am 22, white, and male

thanks. I'm white, 38, and male.

While were at it, 42 spanish male

64 1/2 white male

I want ALL illegals out, now, period. Don't wanna hear it. Don't wanna pay for them. Just flat want their butts OUT, NOW.

16, white, male

Black, bi, female, 14, ex-Jew, Catholic.



P.S. -- I often work for Chris Hansen, catching perverts. I brought down the sicko rabbi you might have seen on TV not too long ago.

is that 64 1/2 or 1/2 white? No offense intended but you are 64 and still stating 1/2 years? Sorry but it gave me the chuckles. In that manner, 22 11/12. now i'm flip-flopping!:eek: