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I just wanted to know what u guys think about this

 
 
Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2007 07:08 pm

this isn't any propaganda. Just a clip of ORielly and Geraldo on the O'Rielly Factor.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2007 10:25 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
So what do you think about Geraldo?
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IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2007 10:41 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
I honestly dont know enough about him to make much of a general statement but i think he made a good point in that clip that the illegal immigrant wasnt the case. that it was the DUI that was the case and that even though he wasn't supposed to be here in america, a DUI is a DUI. Do you disagree?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2007 11:13 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
The video clip is misleading, I watched that when it aired and at the conclusion they smile and shake hands. It was however a very heated debate.

That being said

The law says that any illegal who is caught being in America Illegally is to be deported, that wasn't done, so therefore O'riely (while being a bit unprofessional) has a reasonable beef with the actions of law enforcement in this case.

The question for me isn't really whether or not illegal immigrants commit more crimes then the average Joe in America, the question is "How many crimes committed by illegal aliens constitutes an acceptable level?", the answer is zero
sectionOne
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 01:11 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
I watched that clip live. it was funny, both men had veins popping out in their necks.
Geraldo is the only one who has been able to make O'Reily stutter that I've ever seen.
but it's also all sensationalism for ratings.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 03:40 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY!;13402 wrote:
I honestly dont know enough about him to make much of a general statement but i think he made a good point in that clip that the illegal immigrant wasnt the case. that it was the DUI that was the case and that even though he wasn't supposed to be here in america, a DUI is a DUI. Do you disagree?
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Do you disagree?
I understand your point but, tell me what you think of a like senario. Suppose an illegal immigtant has a murder warrant out for him, he gets stopped for DUI. Should they be able to hold and prosecute him for the murder?
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 05:30 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;13411 wrote:
The law says that any illegal who is caught being in America Illegally is to be deported, that wasn't done, so therefore O'riely (while being a bit unprofessional) has a reasonable beef with the actions of law enforcement in this case.


I get O'Rielly's point, how the girl wouldn't have been killed if the alien was deported but the subject isn't illegal alien's drinking and driving. It's anyone drinking and driving.
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IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 05:31 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;13537 wrote:
I understand your point but, tell me what you think of a like senario. Suppose an illegal immigtant has a murder warrant out for him, he gets stopped for DUI. Should they be able to hold and prosecute him for the murder?


Good question. What do you think?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 07:16 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
Geraldo is a flamboyant, emotional liberal. His credibility with me is ZIPPO.
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 07:24 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;13574 wrote:
Geraldo is a flamboyant, emotional liberal. His credibility with me is ZIPPO.


what about orielly?
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trappedbyparties
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 07:50 pm
@Silverchild79,
"How many crimes committed by illegal aliens constitutes an acceptable level?", the answer is zero[/QUOTE]

Well they have commited a crime by comming to this country without going through the legal citizenship, to me that is one too many....
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 09:31 pm
@trappedbyparties,
trapped.by.parties;13590 wrote:
"How many crimes committed by illegal aliens constitutes an acceptable level?", the answer is zero


Well they have commited a crime by comming to this country without going through the legal citizenship, to me that is one too many....[/QUOTE]

thats not the point. the point isnt illegal immigrants. The point is people drinking and driving. Yes an illegal immigrant did kill someone through drinking and driving. But it wasn't the fact that he was an illegal immigrant that killed the girl. It was the fact that he was drinking and driving.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 09:43 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY!;13550 wrote:
Good question. What do you think?
The question was posed to you?
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 09:50 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;13606 wrote:
The question was posed to you?


I dont know. Thats why I asked you what you thought. Im only 13 and I dont know a lot about immigration laws. All I know is that illegal aliens are a problem to our country because they take money benefits from the government that are supposed to be going to United States citizens.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 10:04 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY!;13609 wrote:
I dont know. Thats why I asked you what you thought. Im only 13 and I dont know a lot about immigration laws. All I know is that illegal aliens are a problem to our country because they take money benefits from the government that are supposed to be going to United States citizens.
I'm glad to know you are only thirteen. I had a pretty good idea it was young. I would of said around 18 to 20. Sounds like your taking an active role in politics. One thing i would say to you, if you plan on taking it serious for any amount of time. Is to take in all news sources and come up with an opinion of your own. It is ok to check out any sources you like but if you get stuck on one ideology, you are exactly that, stuck. You are correct in the assumption that illegal immigrants are a problem. How you address this problem is what makes the man/woman.
On a second note. I apologize for being so aggressive in my questioning of your moral character. As i thought you were much older. I will try and be more observent of your inexperiece and explain in more detail my position.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 10:50 pm
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY!;13602 wrote:
thats not the point. the point isnt illegal immigrants. The point is people drinking and driving. Yes an illegal immigrant did kill someone through drinking and driving. But it wasn't the fact that he was an illegal immigrant that killed the girl. It was the fact that he was drinking and driving.


The incident was about a DUI, but he was an illegal. That's honestly no different then stopping someone for DUI, learning they had an arrest warrant for theft, and not also processing them for that. Illegal immigration is a crime in and of itself, by law.

Your only 13? That's great! It's awesome that you care about your country at an age where most people only care about IPOD's and new shoes. Keep coming here, keep posting. And don't be afraid to make mistakes when you debate. Every knife is dull until it is made sharp, and when you want to change that screen name, drop me a line lmao ;-)
Curmudgeon
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2007 03:36 am
@IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY,
Many young people think they are or will be Democrats until they delve into politics more than just what their parents or teachers tell them . There is really nothing wrong with being a Democrat in this stage of your life , you may even outgrow it , especially if you keep an open mind and see all sides of issues for yourself .
IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2007 05:37 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;13612 wrote:
I'm glad to know you are only thirteen. I had a pretty good idea it was young. I would of said around 18 to 20. Sounds like your taking an active role in politics. One thing i would say to you, if you plan on taking it serious for any amount of time. Is to take in all news sources and come up with an opinion of your own. It is ok to check out any sources you like but if you get stuck on one ideology, you are exactly that, stuck. You are correct in the assumption that illegal immigrants are a problem. How you address this problem is what makes the man/woman.
On a second note. I apologize for being so aggressive in my questioning of your moral character. As i thought you were much older. I will try and be more observent of your inexperiece and explain in more detail my position.


I may be young but I am not totally inexperienced. I started taking an interest in politics about 3 years ago and yes I may be much younger than you but I still have some experience. I agree with your sources information but honestly (and unfortunately) thier really isn't any news station that hasn't picked a side. Olberman, although I like him, I know is propaganda and FOX I have a very negative point of view on (also I rarely watch the news because I dont have T.V. I do read it online occasionly at www.salon.com). Anyway thier is no need to apologize. I hope you will still question my moral charecter and political view because I like to debate current issues and i don't want you to stop debating with me in any way because I am younger. But thank you for your thoughtful response and advice. Although I am pretty sure I am a democrat/liberal I will go to other news sites and pick up other information.
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IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2007 05:49 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;13617 wrote:
The incident was about a DUI, but he was an illegal. That's honestly no different then stopping someone for DUI, learning they had an arrest warrant for theft, and not also processing them for that. Illegal immigration is a crime in and of itself, by law.

Your only 13? That's great! It's awesome that you care about your country at an age where most people only care about IPOD's and new shoes. Keep coming here, keep posting. And don't be afraid to make mistakes when you debate. Every knife is dull until it is made sharp, and when you want to change that screen name, drop me a line lmao ;-)


I agree illegal immigration is a big problem. It angers me how they are stealing money from government funded programs that are intended to benefit the people of America. However I do sympathize for them. Most of them come from a VERY poor part of Mexico where they try to make money farming but cant because they cant compete big indutrial farmers. Farmers in america get a subsidy from the government so they can at least sell their goods at a lower cost but in Mexico they have to support themselves. So while I am irritated at them jumping the border and infuriated at the way they take advantage of our benifical programs, I think that I would probably do the same.

Thank you and thank you for your advice but, unless their is a very revealing debate, I doubt illl be changing my screen name (lol).
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IM-A-DEMOCRAT-BABY
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2007 05:58 pm
@Curmudgeon,
Curmudgeon;13619 wrote:
Many young people think they are or will be Democrats until they delve into politics more than just what their parents or teachers tell them . There is really nothing wrong with being a Democrat in this stage of your life , you may even outgrow it , especially if you keep an open mind and see all sides of issues for yourself .


Being a democrat or a liberal isn't a "stage." You are quite right that my parents are democrats along with my aunt (who i speak to politics about very much) but I have many friends who are republicans and everytime I debate them, I win. I come from a town that is republican by about 80 to 20. I am regreting revealing my age because now, if I make a very good point in a debate or in anything, my age will come between it. "How would you know? Your only a teenager." Also if I make any grammer mistake or misquote something, it will be turned onto me as an insult. I appreciate advice but I dont want any "You'll grow out of it." crap like its a bad acne problem. Also I usually try to both sides to a story but sometimes i forget so thank you for the reminder.
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