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Fox Loses GOP Debate Support

 
 
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 04:02 pm
@92b16vx,
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Bull****. Let me ask you this, what do you think would happen if you were walking down the street with a friend, and a large, scary gangbanger looking type was walking towards you. You friend says he thinks the guy has a gun, and is going to shoot you, so you pull out a gun, and blow his head off. What do you think is going to happen to you? Do you think that anyone is going to say it's ok, because your friend told you he was going to attack you, and you thought he had a gun so you just pre-emptively killed him? Too simplistic? Nope, not at all.

No one has the right to kill someone else out of fear. It is criminal.


Not exactly the best metaphor.

How about the gangbanger yelling at people that he had a gun and was going to shoot me, and let's say that my friend had a network of spies that were sure he was going to shoot me. Then it's self defense.

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Why don't you give some examples of big government that you like, that Ron Paul wants to get rid of, and back up any assertation that we need them.


I don't like big government, it's just that America is not ready for the downsizing Paul wants.

He acts like we're in the 1700s and he is running against the Federalists. Leave everything to the states, etc, etc.
klyph
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:51 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50211 wrote:
Not exactly the best metaphor.

How about the gangbanger yelling at people that he had a gun and was going to shoot me, and let's say that my friend had a network of spies that were sure he was going to shoot me. Then it's self defense.

Uh, no that's still very illegal. And still not an accurate metaphor. Let me try.

A man walks by your house and shoots your dog. To avenge your canine friend, you go NOT to the man's house, but to his neighbor's house. You and your family engage in a bloody fight to the death with this man's neighbor's family until almost all of the neighbor's family are dead, a large portion of your family is dead, and you've wasted most of your money fixing the damage that you caused to the neighbor's house. All the while, the man who shot your dog sits in his house laughing his ass off over how stupid you are.

That pretty much sums up the Iraq war.
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I don't like big government, it's just that America is not ready for the downsizing Paul wants.

And when will we be ready? How long will it take?

The time is NOW.

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He acts like we're in the 1700s and he is running against the Federalists. Leave everything to the states, etc, etc.

America HAS become WAY too Federalist. So in a way, he is running against Federalists. And there's nothing wrong with running America like it was designed to be run.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2008 08:07 pm
@92b16vx,
I wanna see Bill O'Reilly ho-slapped until his flabby face slides off his head. He should next order Tanya Reiman, his body-language puppet, to analyze his own machismo on TV, while he gets off on phone-sex again. That would fit his pistol, big time.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2008 09:11 pm
@92b16vx,
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America HAS become WAY too Federalist. So in a way, he is running against Federalists. And there's nothing wrong with running America like it was designed to be run.


Maybe it was supposed to be Federalist. John Adams was a Federalist, and his cousin apparently makes good beer. WTF has Thomas Jefferson given us? Laughing
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briansol
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 01:36 am
@92b16vx,
the monticello? Very Happy
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REDWHITEBLUE2
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 04:32 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;50116 wrote:
Paulbots, the new move-on, LOL.
there really isn't much difference now that you mention it
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jan, 2008 08:37 pm
@REDWHITEBLUE2,
I just made an amusing decision: I will no longer watch O'Reilly -- ever. It's over. The Tanya Rheiman body language thing is so frigged up I can't stand it any longer. O'Reilly has lost it. What an egotistical old bag of gas. :thumbdown:
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 06:11 am
@klyph,
klyph;50137 wrote:
I can't understand why you think any of Dr. Paul's ideas are bad. Name one policy of his and explain why it's a bad idea.


The abortion issue. That however is a personal issue.

One of the big reasons I like Ron Paul is he knows what the internet is, he knows how to use it properly, he actually uses it and he understands why the gov't needs to leave it the hell alone.

In order to move this country into the future, we need somebody in the hot seat that realizes the internet's potential and capability and actively utilizes it, rather than thinking it's a place where kids get raped and high school students make plans to shoot up their classmates after playing a video game.
REDWHITEBLUE2
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 06:41 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;50813 wrote:
The abortion issue. That however is a personal issue.

One of the big reasons I like Ron Paul is he knows what the internet is, he knows how to use it properly, he actually uses it and he understands why the gov't needs to leave it the hell alone.

Your right Ron Paul supports the Ronettes spamming the straw votes to make it look like a greater number of voters support his Liberal leaning kooky views Ron Paul is a RINO or to be really Honest Ron Paul is a fraud
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 07:12 pm
@REDWHITEBLUE2,
REDWHITEBLUE2;50822 wrote:
Your right Ron Paul supports the Ronettes spamming the straw votes to make it look like a greater number of voters support his Liberal leaning kooky views Ron Paul is a RINO or to be really Honest Ron Paul is a fraud


What's good for the goose I imagine.

Wasn't it you guys that got busted robocalling? Wasn't it you guys that got busted robocalling at all hours of the night with Democrat messages in an attempt to piss off the public and get them to vote Red?

If you wanna throw some stones, best not be living in that glass house.
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klyph
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 01:10 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;50813 wrote:
The abortion issue. That however is a personal issue.

One of the big reasons I like Ron Paul is he knows what the internet is, he knows how to use it properly, he actually uses it and he understands why the gov't needs to leave it the hell alone.

In order to move this country into the future, we need somebody in the hot seat that realizes the internet's potential and capability and actively utilizes it, rather than thinking it's a place where kids get raped and high school students make plans to shoot up their classmates after playing a video game.


Destruction of life is wrong. It's a symptom of America's disregard for accountability and lack of responsibility. If you're not prepared to care for a child, you shouldn't have sex, It's that simple. Abortion wouldn't be an issue, neither would STD's if America would show some morality and quit being such sluts.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 07:10 am
@klyph,
klyph;50832 wrote:
Destruction of life is wrong. It's a symptom of America's disregard for accountability and lack of responsibility. If you're not prepared to care for a child, you shouldn't have sex, It's that simple. Abortion wouldn't be an issue, neither would STD's if America would show some morality and quit being such sluts.


I agree with you. I do not believe abortion should be a form of birth control. Ever.

However, to completely ban it is wrong. There are the rare cases where such a procedure is required to save the mother's life. Perhaps her body just can't support a developing child and she's just now finding this one out. It does happen.

You solve this entire problem with education. I'm not talking abstinence... that NEVER works. We're living things, driven to do what living things have been doing for billions of years... reproduce. These kids need to know how it works, why it works, and how to get around it (contraceptives). As a parent and once very rebellious teenager, I know that just because you tell a group of kids "No, don't do this! It's bad!" that it doesn't mean they're not gonna do it. Especially when much of society is sex-driven.

If you educate the population properly, it won't matter what popular culture throws at them.
klyph
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 11:01 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;50836 wrote:
I agree with you. I do not believe abortion should be a form of birth control. Ever.

However, to completely ban it is wrong. There are the rare cases where such a procedure is required to save the mother's life. Perhaps her body just can't support a developing child and she's just now finding this one out. It does happen.

The number of cases where it is actually justified pales in comparison to the number of times it is performed. It should only be performed as a last resort.
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You solve this entire problem with education.

wErd.
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I'm not talking abstinence... that NEVER works. We're living things, driven to do what living things have been doing for billions of years... reproduce. These kids need to know how it works, why it works, and how to get around it (contraceptives). As a parent and once very rebellious teenager, I know that just because you tell a group of kids "No, don't do this! It's bad!" that it doesn't mean they're not gonna do it. Especially when much of society is sex-driven.

The fact that you have urges to do something doesn't justify it. A pyromaniac is not justified in arson and is not given the opportunity to make it better for himself by killing a child.
Instead of just telling kids NO, we should hold them responsible for their decisions. If a girl gets knocked up after consensual sex, she should be forced to care for the child that she recklessly created (without govt. assistance). If teenagers could look at their friends who got knocked up and were forced to deal with the consequences instead of being given an easy out by destroying a life, fewer teenagers would engage in careless intercourse.

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If you educate the population properly, it won't matter what popular culture throws at them.

True, and the best way to learn is through accountability. People need to realize how serious it is when a life is created. It is our moral duty to preserve life, especially the life that we have been blessed with the ability to create. To destroy it is outrageously inhuman. The majority of justification I see for abortion is selfishness.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2008 07:32 am
@klyph,
klyph;50865 wrote:
The number of cases where it is actually justified pales in comparison to the number of times it is performed. It should only be performed as a last resort.


Again, agreed. However it should be available, should that last resort be needed.

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The fact that you have urges to do something doesn't justify it. A pyromaniac is not justified in arson and is not given the opportunity to make it better for himself by killing a child.


Bad comparison. A pyromaniac has his "urges" because of a chemical imbalance or just being plain ol' wacko. Reproduction is THE driving force of life. Pyromaniacs make up less than one percent of the human population. Every single lifeform on this planet reproduces.

Reproduction has been ingrained into us since the dawn of life itself. Any attempt to restrict that drive will fail. The rhythm of life is a powerful beat.

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Instead of just telling kids NO, we should hold them responsible for their decisions. If a girl gets knocked up after consensual sex, she should be forced to care for the child that she recklessly created (without govt. assistance). If teenagers could look at their friends who got knocked up and were forced to deal with the consequences instead of being given an easy out by destroying a life, fewer teenagers would engage in careless intercourse.


The problem most people in America is that where they want someone held responsible for their actions, they want to give little allowance for a person to be responsible in their actions. Sex education, REAL sex education. Contraceptives and awareness of them. More education on STDs and family planning. Give them the ability to be responsible first, then hold them accountable if they aren't responsible.


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True, and the best way to learn is through accountability. People need to realize how serious it is when a life is created. It is our moral duty to preserve life, especially the life that we have been blessed with the ability to create. To destroy it is outrageously inhuman. The majority of justification I see for abortion is selfishness.


The best way to learn is through learning. Teach and give the tools to do something properly and responsibly. THEN if they fail to do that, hold them accountable.
klyph
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2008 10:48 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;50869 wrote:
Again, agreed. However it should be available, should that last resort be needed.


And it should be restricted so that last resorts are the only way for them to happen

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Bad comparison. A pyromaniac has his "urges" because of a chemical imbalance or just being plain ol' wacko. Reproduction is THE driving force of life. Pyromaniacs make up less than one percent of the human population. Every single lifeform on this planet reproduces.

Reproduction has been ingrained into us since the dawn of life itself. Any attempt to restrict that drive will fail. The rhythm of life is a powerful beat.


True, but irresponsible reproduction is probably the driving force behind the majority of social problems. How to best keep teenagers from humping like rabbits is a broad sweeping question and would require broad sweeping changes to rectify the over-sexualization and pornification of popular culture. The problem is that too much immorality has become the norm, things that were once socially unacceptable have become common place, and no one will stand up and say that it's wrong because they don't want to be labeled as anti-progressive, or they are said to be blind to the problem because abstinence doesn't work. When in actuality, abstinence would work, if parents taught their children strict morality from a young age and did their best to shield them from the immoral influences out there.
This ties into the idea of parents being the primary educators of children. People depend on Uncle Sam to teach their children morality and sexual responsibility, in addition to reedin', ritin', and 'rithmatik. And when you look at the US dept. of education's track record, they fail at even the most basic of objectives. Do you really trust your children's upbringing to people who can't even make decent meatloaf?

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The problem most people in America is that where they want someone held responsible for their actions, they want to give little allowance for a person to be responsible in their actions. Sex education, REAL sex education. Contraceptives and awareness of them. More education on STDs and family planning. Give them the ability to be responsible first, then hold them accountable if they aren't responsible.


As stated above all of that is reasonable, but those are the responsibilities of parents, not the US govt. It's true that the majority of parents fail miserably when it comes to properly educating their children, but putting that responsibility on the Dept. of Education is ludicrous to expect that they will succeed or even come close to solving a problem with so many facets.


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The best way to learn is through learning. Teach and give the tools to do something properly and responsibly. THEN if they fail to do that, hold them accountable.

The parents need to carry some of the burden of responsibility. Maybe it would make sense to require some sort of certification before being permitted to conceive. Maybe we should install IUD's in all 12 year old girls and temporarily vasectomize all 12 year old boys until they are old enough to pass an exam or demonstrate their ability to properly raise and provide for a child. Unfortunately, that goes against all of my moral standards and i would never be able to support such a policy.


:dunno:
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 05:58 am
@92b16vx,
To restore its dignity, Fox should ditch O'Reilly. The other programs are good. O'Reilly's become a caricature, especially when he surrounds himself with his blonde fantasy girls --Lease, Wheel and Tanya the Body Language Fraud. Billow acts as though he actually believes they think he's hot. No, Bill...........you're just their lame-ass boss.
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