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Since the other waterboarding thread got locked...

 
 
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 10:05 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45593 wrote:
No kidding.:bangin:


No intelligent response, as i expected from you!
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 01:39 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45606 wrote:
No intelligent response, as i expected from you!


You emboldened your remarks, which were abundant, and then you stated, 'remarks are in bold'. Wow.:bangin:
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Drakej
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 03:09 pm
@92b16vx,
We are loosing all respect for our country in the eyes of the rest of the world. Utilizing tools like Water Boarding and violating peoples rights in other ways, how is this setting a good example? They cut heads off, torture and mutilate people every day, does that give us a right to turn around and do the same thing? An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. I am always hesitant to heed information gleaned from torture. If someone was breaking your fingers one at a time with a hammer you are going to tell them whatever they want. If someone is strapping you to a slab of wood and you think every time they dump water on you, you are going to die what are you gonna do? Your gonna sell out your neighbor even though he has not done any thing just so they stop beating you.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 05:14 pm
@Drakej,
Drakej;45751 wrote:
We are loosing all respect for our country in the eyes of the rest of the world. Utilizing tools like Water Boarding and violating peoples rights in other ways, how is this setting a good example? They cut heads off, torture and mutilate people every day, does that give us a right to turn around and do the same thing? An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. I am always hesitant to heed information gleaned from torture. If someone was breaking your fingers one at a time with a hammer you are going to tell them whatever they want. If someone is strapping you to a slab of wood and you think every time they dump water on you, you are going to die what are you gonna do? Your gonna sell out your neighbor even though he has not done any thing just so they stop beating you.


We're at war, one AQ started. Sorry, but war is Hell.:rocketwhore:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 05:58 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45756 wrote:
We're at war, one AQ started. Sorry, but war is Hell.:rocketwhore:


you are so very similar to the same people you hate!!! you have made it very clear on many occasions that you don't believe in eqaulity and virtue and human rights of all people...these are the very same things your enemy believes, you are a mirror image of your enemy....you would rather sink down to their level than show a level of dignity and honor, and for these reasons they are justified in their hate of us!

:FU1:
Drakej
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 08:37 pm
@92b16vx,
I realize that War is hell, I have never been in the military and have never had to fight for my life. I do however have friends that have served, some have done multiple tours and I have spoken to them about the things that they have HAD to do. I have no problem with what folks must do to preserve there own lives or lives of fellow soldiers or innocents. We cannot justify cruel and unusual acts because "we are at war". Did we really like it when Extremists where cutting our peoples heads off? What about the sense murders that we have heard about? We as an allegedly more humane and evolved people cannot sink to there level because of there actions. This is not the 5th grade any more, when the teacher asked you why you where throwing rocks at the bully and your response is "He started it" and you stomp your little feet you have effectively become just as bad.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 08:54 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45773 wrote:
you are so very similar to the same people you hate!!! you have made it very clear on many occasions that you don't believe in eqaulity and virtue and human rights of all people...these are the very same things your enemy believes, you are a mirror image of your enemy....you would rather sink down to their level than show a level of dignity and honor, and for these reasons they are justified in their hate of us!

:FU1:


Nuts. Ours is the greatest civilization of all human time. You're a hopeless relativist. How much travelling have you done? Where have you lived overseas? How many foreign languages have you learned? My expectations of you aren't very high at this point.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 09:00 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45798 wrote:
Nuts. Ours is the greatest civilization of all human time. You're a hopeless relativist. How much travelling have you done? Where have you lived overseas? How many foreign languages have you learned? My expectations of you aren't very high at this point.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 09:03 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45798 wrote:
Nuts. Ours is the greatest civilization of all human time. You're a hopeless relativist. How much travelling have you done? Where have you lived overseas? How many foreign languages have you learned? My expectations of you aren't very high at this point.


Honestly,does it matter how much i've traveled? One can travel the world and still know absolutly nothing about it! You are a perfect example!
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 09:27 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45807 wrote:
Honestly,does it matter how much i've traveled? One can travel the world and still know absolutly nothing about it! You are a perfect example!


Thanks for validating my suspicions. You haven't seen squat, but somehow know it all. What about foreign languages? Have you ever even left Michigan?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 10:16 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45822 wrote:
Thanks for validating my suspicions. You haven't seen squat, but somehow know it all. What about foreign languages? Have you ever even left Michigan?


yes i have:

I've been to: Ohio, Indiana, California, New York, Hawaii, Kentucky, North Carolina, Georgia, Floridia, Tennessee, D.C. and Canada(Ontario)

but this is really not important, because i still know more about history and geography than you!
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 03:03 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45839 wrote:
yes i have:

I've been to: Ohio, Indiana, California, New York, Hawaii, Kentucky, North Carolina, Georgia, Floridia, Tennessee, D.C. and Canada(Ontario)

but this is really not important, because i still know more about history and geography than you!


You know only squat, and that's next to nothing. Humble yourself. You're in the presence of greatness. Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 07:38 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45876 wrote:
You know only squat, and that's next to nothing. Humble yourself. You're in the presence of greatness. Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy


if you know anything about history you have yet to express it!
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 07:50 pm
@92b16vx,
I believe waterboarding is effective and should be used against AQ and the Taliban.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 08:14 pm
@Pinochet73,
I believe torture is wrong, it is a violation of human rights, and i would not wish it upon my worst enemies!
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DurtySanches
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 10:17 pm
@92b16vx,
So do you think Daniel Pearle preferred to be beheaded or waterboarded, anyone?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 10:23 am
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;45957 wrote:
So do you think Daniel Pearle preferred to be beheaded or waterboarded, anyone?


Good point. The head-cutters responsible for Pearle's sadistic execution deserve no mercy. None. No trial, no rights, no due consideration. Only death. This is war of the ugliest kind.
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klyph
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 12:33 pm
@92b16vx,
So we should lower ourselves to be just like the terrorists?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 01:20 pm
@klyph,
klyph;45985 wrote:
So we should lower ourselves to be just like the terrorists?


Don't look at it that way. History shows that no one is innocent. Some are less guilty than others, indeed, but no one is innocent. Victory in war requires bloodshed. That's life. We must kill the enemy to win. :no:
klyph
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 01:33 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45997 wrote:
Don't look at it that way. History shows that no one is innocent. Some are less guilty than others, indeed, but no one is innocent. Victory in war requires bloodshed. That's life. We must kill the enemy to win. :no:


Should we follow the rules of the Geneva convention, or is war no holds barred? I think if you advocate these practices, it's a tad hypocritical to criticize the enemies similar tactics.
 

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