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Where are they now?

 
 
92b16vx
 
Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 12:34 am
Six years later, where are those to blame now? - Countdown with Keith Olbermann - MSNBC.com

Six years later, where are those to blame now?

Iraq and 9/11 stand connected and we are suffering the consequences

COMMENTARY by Keith Olbermann
MSNBC

To this day, millions of Americans believe we invaded Iraq because of 9/11. Thirty-three percent still believe there was some interconnection between Saddam Hussein and the nightmares here and in Washington and in Pennsylvania. Iraq, of course, had nothing to do with 9/11. Six years later, that has changed.

Iraq has distracted us from punishing those responsible for 9/11. If another 9/11 comes, our focus on Iraq will surely have been central to that nightmare. How did we get here? What consequences have been paid by those who brought us here? No one person is to blame. And only some of those who are recognize it.

Colin Powell
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell told GQ magazine he is "sorry" he gave the world wrong information when he told the U.N. of the threat Iraq supposedly posed. He was not fired for doing so. He paid no price we know of, other than the admitted "blot" on his record, and whatever toll his conscience exacted.

Donald Rumsfeld
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld also talked to GQ, saying he does not lose sleep over the war declining to apologize for it despite pushing for it, despite using 9/11, the day after 9/11, for his own benefit, to pursue his goal of bombing Iraq. Rumsfeld was not fired for his performance, but for politics. Now in his private life he is reportedly trying to see how much he must tell, to make for a profitable tell-all.

Rumsfeld was served, and the nation ill-served, by a flock of Pentagon hawks, bent on war seeing 9/11 not as an obligation to answer. but an opportunity to exploit.

Richard Perle
Defense Policy Board Chairman Richard Perle was not fired. Instead, he was forced to retire not for pushing the war but for allegedly profiting off it.

Doug Feith
Undersecretary Doug Feith who cherry-picked anti-Iraq intel was not fired despite a Pentagonreport later refuting Feith's claim that Iraq and al Qaeda were in league.

Stephen Hadley
Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley was reponsible for the 16-word lie about Iraqi yellowcake. He was not fired but promoted to National Security Advisor.

Condoleezza Rice
Condoleezza Rice, who threatened us with mushroom clouds was not fired but promoted to America's chief diplomat, Secretary of State.

George Tenet
CIA Director George Tenet, who called the case for war a "slam dunk" was not fired but given the presidential Medal of Freedom.

The president's advisors
Within the president's circle of advisors, marketing the war, Andy Card and Dan Bartlett were never fired. Card retired and Bartlett was promoted, then he retired.

Karen Hughes
Karen Hughes was not fired but promoted and stunningly to the task of winning hearts and minds in the Muslim world.

Vice President Cheney
Vice President Dick Cheney, creator of his cherry-picking intel apparatus gave its poisoned fruit to the media and then fed the lie to us on national television even after truth, and shame, rendered its mendaciousness manifest. He continues to do so to this day, not fired.

Lewis Libby
Cheney's aide, Lewis Libby, came closest of all to suffering genuine consequences and was convicted of covering up Cheney's role in sliming critics of the war. His consequences were nullified at the last minute.

When the president commuted his prison sentence ensuring that no one in his circle, least of all him, paid any price for selling us the lie of Iraq; for failing to punish the bombing of the USS Cole; for neglecting the warnings pre-9/11; for turning back at Tora Bora; for ultimately ensuring that while the rest of the world suffers painful, deadly consequences for his actions, only he does not.

Osama bin Laden
Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of 9/11 -- his reach, and recruiting are all benefiting from Bush's war and his group's strength today at a six-year high. His Afghan allies the Taliban and as NBC reported tonight are also resurgent, planning the death of Americans, just 25 miles from Kabul.

All while bin Laden himself operates freely, unmolested, with his own media operation... thanks to a regional Pakistani truce endorsed by Bush in a region where Bush will not go, can not go even if he chose to.

Because he has spent so much American blood and treasure, in the desert of a nation that had neither means nor motive to threaten us but that tempted Bush and those around him who wished to transform the Middle East so much so that he forswore the vow he made, standing on New York's dead that their killers would hear us soon.

Six years later, we still hear them, because now, finally, Iraq and 9/11 really are connected by him. And we suffer the consequences.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 04:26 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;36552 wrote:
Six years later, where are those to blame now? - Countdown with Keith Olbermann - MSNBC.com

Six years later, where are those to blame now?

Iraq and 9/11 stand connected and we are suffering the consequences

COMMENTARY by Keith Olbermann
MSNBC

To this day, millions of Americans believe we invaded Iraq because of 9/11. Thirty-three percent still believe there was some interconnection between Saddam Hussein and the nightmares here and in Washington and in Pennsylvania. Iraq, of course, had nothing to do with 9/11. Six years later, that has changed.

Iraq has distracted us from punishing those responsible for 9/11. If another 9/11 comes, our focus on Iraq will surely have been central to that nightmare. How did we get here? What consequences have been paid by those who brought us here? No one person is to blame. And only some of those who are recognize it.

Colin Powell
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell told GQ magazine he is "sorry" he gave the world wrong information when he told the U.N. of the threat Iraq supposedly posed. He was not fired for doing so. He paid no price we know of, other than the admitted "blot" on his record, and whatever toll his conscience exacted.

Donald Rumsfeld
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld also talked to GQ, saying he does not lose sleep over the war declining to apologize for it despite pushing for it, despite using 9/11, the day after 9/11, for his own benefit, to pursue his goal of bombing Iraq. Rumsfeld was not fired for his performance, but for politics. Now in his private life he is reportedly trying to see how much he must tell, to make for a profitable tell-all.

Rumsfeld was served, and the nation ill-served, by a flock of Pentagon hawks, bent on war seeing 9/11 not as an obligation to answer. but an opportunity to exploit.

Richard Perle
Defense Policy Board Chairman Richard Perle was not fired. Instead, he was forced to retire not for pushing the war but for allegedly profiting off it.

Doug Feith
Undersecretary Doug Feith who cherry-picked anti-Iraq intel was not fired despite a Pentagonreport later refuting Feith's claim that Iraq and al Qaeda were in league.

Stephen Hadley
Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley was reponsible for the 16-word lie about Iraqi yellowcake. He was not fired but promoted to National Security Advisor.

Condoleezza Rice
Condoleezza Rice, who threatened us with mushroom clouds was not fired but promoted to America's chief diplomat, Secretary of State.

George Tenet
CIA Director George Tenet, who called the case for war a "slam dunk" was not fired but given the presidential Medal of Freedom.

The president's advisors
Within the president's circle of advisors, marketing the war, Andy Card and Dan Bartlett were never fired. Card retired and Bartlett was promoted, then he retired.

Karen Hughes
Karen Hughes was not fired but promoted and stunningly to the task of winning hearts and minds in the Muslim world.

Vice President Cheney
Vice President Dick Cheney, creator of his cherry-picking intel apparatus gave its poisoned fruit to the media and then fed the lie to us on national television even after truth, and shame, rendered its mendaciousness manifest. He continues to do so to this day, not fired.

Lewis Libby
Cheney's aide, Lewis Libby, came closest of all to suffering genuine consequences and was convicted of covering up Cheney's role in sliming critics of the war. His consequences were nullified at the last minute.

When the president commuted his prison sentence ensuring that no one in his circle, least of all him, paid any price for selling us the lie of Iraq; for failing to punish the bombing of the USS Cole; for neglecting the warnings pre-9/11; for turning back at Tora Bora; for ultimately ensuring that while the rest of the world suffers painful, deadly consequences for his actions, only he does not.

Osama bin Laden
Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of 9/11 -- his reach, and recruiting are all benefiting from Bush's war and his group's strength today at a six-year high. His Afghan allies the Taliban and as NBC reported tonight are also resurgent, planning the death of Americans, just 25 miles from Kabul.

All while bin Laden himself operates freely, unmolested, with his own media operation... thanks to a regional Pakistani truce endorsed by Bush in a region where Bush will not go, can not go even if he chose to.

Because he has spent so much American blood and treasure, in the desert of a nation that had neither means nor motive to threaten us but that tempted Bush and those around him who wished to transform the Middle East so much so that he forswore the vow he made, standing on New York's dead that their killers would hear us soon.

Six years later, we still hear them, because now, finally, Iraq and 9/11 really are connected by him. And we suffer the consequences.



I find this defeatism unfathomable. We are a heroic nation, standing toe-to-toe with one of the greatest evils to ever threaten Civilization (AQ), after having been attacked by it in a vicious and devastating way. Nonetheless, so many of our citizens want to run, hide, and deliberately help the enemy win. I don't get it, except to dismiss it as vintage-1960s leftist idealism on the rebound. THE DAYS OF JANE FONDA ARE OVER, dammit.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 06:26 am
@92b16vx,
You mean cut and run like the majority of the neocons that started the war in Iraq?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 08:29 am
@92b16vx,
What war, what we have is a police action. From which you would like to cut and run. What about all the NeoLibs that were on the bandwagon too? They were the innocent sheeple that were duped by a chimp of a president, says alot about there mental capacity. Not to many people can saw a monkey got the better of them, LOL.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 09:21 am
@92b16vx,
Sorry

This message is hidden because Drnaline is on your ignore list.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 09:59 am
@92b16vx,
Oh, how nice.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 11:41 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;36604 wrote:
Sorry

This message is hidden because Drnaline is on your ignore list.


:lame:
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 11:53 am
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;36637 wrote:
:lame:


Just like his continuously rambling, nonsensical postings that got him there. If he put more effort, or at least cognizant thought, into his vomit it would be worth reading.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 04:06 pm
@92b16vx,
But your read none the less. I'm so good you can't ignore me, but i guess you didn't read this, LOL.
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Red cv
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 05:11 pm
@92b16vx,
Let us be clear now at this moment Al Q. is in Iraq now, and it's growing globally so what's the problem? Fight them now and finish the job or return in ten years when they are an even bigger force to deal with.

Cutting and running will have Radical Islamists (including in the free West and Eurabia) dancing in the streets and we wonder why they scorn us. At this moment the battle is being fought and you leave. How can the globe respect the US after that?
socalgolfguy
 
  1  
Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 06:00 pm
@92b16vx,
92b - do you believe that the persons named in the Olberman report cut-and-ran as a result of the war?

Personally, I do not watch, listen to or read anything by this man. I find his rambling commentaries angry and without resolve.
wvpeach
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 06:58 pm
@socalgolfguy,
I like Keith Olberman

He did some really great work when Bush did away with our rights under the patriot act.

But I caught last nights show too and he was digging.

Should Rudy have spoken at ground zero ceremonies ?

should we read between the lines that the president did not formerly speak on this anniversary , yet announced the 30,000 troops sent into the surge will come home in the spring.

He was digging like other news stations do and it disappointed me in Keith.

I am not interested in their opinions when I watch the news I want only facts
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 07:01 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;36705 wrote:
92b - do you believe that the persons named in the Olberman report cut-and-ran as a result of the war?

Personally, I do not watch, listen to or read anything by this man. I find his rambling commentaries angry and without resolve.


They sure did. They started a war that is going to cost our children and our childrens children probably trillions by the time it's done. But Rummy is already trying to cash in, most of the others have moved on to more lucrative positions in the government, cashed in. They cut and run instead of sticking by the war they started, that they expect Americans to stick by so they and their buddies that are invested in the war can continue to profit from the death and destruction of American and Iraqi lives.

Quite honestly, if they were actually going after the terrorist, you know, the ones that freely operate in Saudi, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt maaaaybe they would have some credibility, or maybe if they secured American borders. Since they did not do any of that, there is only one clear idea at work...profit under the guise of war.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 07:07 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;36570 wrote:
You mean cut and run like the majority of the neocons that started the war in Iraq?


I'm only responsible for myself. I say stay and fight. Fight AQ to the last terrorist. Kill all terrorists and sympathizers.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 07:18 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;36711 wrote:
I'm only reasonable for myself. I say stay and fight. Fight AQ to the last terrorist. Kill all terrorists and sympathizers.


But you aren't there are you?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 07:58 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;36714 wrote:
But you aren't there are you?


Yes, I am. I'm a voting tax-payer. I'm there.

Furthermore, every single trooper over there is a volunteer.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 08:14 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;36724 wrote:
Yes, I am. I'm a voting tax-payer. I'm there.

Furthermore, every single trooper over there is a volunteer.


But you are not there. Your being there in "spirit" is great and all, but it doesn't get you killed. Volunteer or not, being put in harms way for profits is a travesty of their service..
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 04:10 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;36730 wrote:
But you are not there. Your being there in "spirit" is great and all, but it doesn't get you killed. Volunteer or not, being put in harms way for profits is a travesty of their service..


They volunteered. If they don't want to be there, they shouldn't have volunteered. I just had my colon cleaned out at the local Army medical center. The room was full of young, combat medics in training. They were motivated, and eager to go to Iraq. As they pumped out my guts, they expressed their patriotism, and cited it as their primary reason for VOLUNTEERING to go to war for their country. I hope the agony I experienced that day helped prepare them somehow. Colonoscopies suck.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 04:12 am
@92b16vx,
Actually, I'm considering trying to get a summer job next year in Iraq. Seriously. I'd like to go there, see it, and return in time to resume teaching.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 07:51 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;36714 wrote:
But you aren't there are you?
Neither are you.
 

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