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Ron Paul the Liberal?

 
 
Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 04:45 pm
Well there's so much talk of McCain being a liberal I figured why not give Paul a look...

We already know he has the foreign policy of a liberal, he'd abandon our obligations faster then Hillary Clinton would (at least she said she'd wait 60 days). So on Foreign policy and the war we know he's a liberal

but did you know?

Rated 56% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)

Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)

Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)

Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)

Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)

Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent.

Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)

Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)

Rated 67% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002

Rated 38% by the HRC, indicating a mixed record on gay rights. (Dec 2006)

Rated 39% by NAACP, indicating a mixed record on affirmative-action. (Dec 2006)

Rated 46% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)

Changed opinion to anti-death penalty due to many mistakes. (Sep 2007)
yup, Ron Paul is against the Death penalty!

said it's "Not appropriate to prosecute all illegal adult pornography." (Sep 2007)

Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
why Mr Paul, should we just let them go?

Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
not really looking to tough on crime are you Mr Paul?

Rated 11% by the NCJA, indicating a "soft-on-crime" stance. (Dec 2005)

Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)

Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
is it party time on capital hill mr paul?

voted to Legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)

Rated A by VOTE-HEMP, indicating a pro-hemp voting record. (Dec 2003)

Rated +30 by NORML, indicating a pro-drug-reform stance. (Dec 2006)

Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)

Voted NO on requiring states to test students. (May 2001)

Voted YES on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump. (May 2006) so much for free commerce

Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003)

"Cut off all foreign aid to Israel & to Arabs." (Dec 2007)

"Get out of South Korea and let two Koreas unify." (Dec 2007)
hey what's one more communist country eh mr paul?

Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China. (Jul 2005)

Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding. (Jun 2005)

Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
Mr Paul I thought you said you wanted to trade with neighbors?

Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)

"Block international highway from Canada to Mexico." (Dec 2007)

Voted NO on promoting free trade with Peru. (Nov 2007)

Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
wait a sec, I thought you were all about "talk and trade"

Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)

Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)

Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)

Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)

Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)

Put 65 projects into 2006 bills, worth $4B to his district. (Dec 2007)
is pork in the constitution Paul?

Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations. (May 2007)

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits about obesity against food providers. (Oct 2005) I guess it is McDonald's fault huh?

Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002)

Voted NO on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999

Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)

Rated 67% by SANE, indicating a mixed record on military issues. (Dec 2003)

I could go on and on. But if ANYBODY is going to call Mcain a liberal, it should not be the paul camp

weak on terror
weak on crime
luke warm on the military

If McCain is a Liberal, Paul is father left still!

there's more here

Ron Paul on the Issues
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 07:36 pm
@Silverchild79,
Looks pretty scary. I'll stay Republican.Very Happy
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 09:54 pm
@Silverchild79,
You have zero grasp of the Constitution, and the role it plays, or the role and authority it gives the government.

People like you are ridiculous in your imcompetence, and yet pretend you have a clue. The context of his votes may leave the weakminded wondering, some actually understand the Constitution, and how it applies to the legislative process.

Instead of being disingenuous, why don't you post the background to all these votes, and statements, and his reasoning behind it, oh I know why, because that would make this look as stupid to everyone you are trying impress with your weak "gotcha" as it already does to people that have a clue. Too bad you are WAY too late to be playing the Ron Paul gotcha game, he has already meet, and deflected people you could only dream to be as half way as knowledgable as.

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Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)

Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)

Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)

Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)

Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)


None of these are the governments business, they are state issues, and social issues, not political issues. Of course it is no surprise YOU want the government to have more control over people.

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Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent.


Because it violates our civil rights, too bad the sheep would rather have their shepherds seel them fear, and a promise of safety than freedom.

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Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
why Mr Paul, should we just let them go?

Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
not really looking to tough on crime are you Mr Paul?

Rated 11% by the NCJA, indicating a "soft-on-crime" stance. (Dec 2005)

Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)

Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
is it party time on capital hill mr paul?

voted to Legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)


Yea, the war on Drugs is a failure, and it cost us too much money, and produces no results, many people know this already.

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Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)


Freedom of speech, don't like it? Move to communist China.

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Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China. (Jul 2005)

Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding. (Jun 2005)

Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
Mr Paul I thought you said you wanted to trade with neighbors?


Wow, he is against sending arms, and billions of our dollars to a country that openly seeks our demise? LOL, maybe you really should move to commie land.

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Voted NO on promoting free trade with Peru. (Nov 2007)

Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
wait a sec, I thought you were all about "talk and trade"

Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)

Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)

Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)

Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)

Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)



Of that's right, I forgot, you are a wannabe globalist, like your little girlie friend Julie, and his buddy Juan McCain. There's this little thing called sovereignty, some are trying to protect Americas, why don't you join the home team. There's a huge difference between free trade, and these globalist agendas.

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Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations. (May 2007)

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits about obesity against food providers. (Oct 2005) I guess it is McDonald's fault huh?

Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002)

Voted NO on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999

Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)

Rated 67% by SANE, indicating a mixed record on military issues. (Dec 2003)


Amazing, he voted against halting political free speech, well shucks, I guess he really does believe in the Constitution, and the freedoms it gives us.


Anyway, out of respect to Brian I am not saying some of the things you should have said to you, but this forum is really becoming a joke. So you can carry on in your ignorant little world, you can ban me because I make you cry when pointing out your inadequate, disingenuous ramblings like so many have done here before. Do you ever wonder why some really interesting people stop by, post far a little but, and then disappear? Because they see what I am saying. The neocon sycophants are just too retarded, and it makes people depressed knowing there's actually people like you in the world.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 10:27 pm
@Silverchild79,
don't side step

he's weak on the war on terror

weak on crime

and weak on abortion, even thought he says he belives life begins at conception

those are liberal traits
92b16vx
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 10:51 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;53062 wrote:
don't side step

he's weak on the war on terror

weak on crime

and weak on abortion, even thought he says he belives life begins at conception

those are liberal traits


Like I said, you clearly do not have a clue about his positions, and how he actually uses the Constitution to guide his judgements, and votes.

I tell you what, if actually want to discuss these things, you go find the context in which he voted for, or against these items. If you can prove that you can do even a modicum of research then we'll see that you might have a point to make. You are just like the MSM in that you take something out of context, and lay it out for people to make uninformed descisions over.

He isn't weak on terror, he is weak on neocon fearmongering. Here's a news flash 99.99% of America will never encounter a terrorist. You statistically have a better chance of hitting the lottery.

I disagree with him on the death penalty, so whatever on that one.

He is probably the least weak on abortion candidate that has ever run, he just realizes that it is NOT a federal issue, it is a state issue, and we certainly do not need a constitutional amendment for it. If you had ever heard him talk on the issue, you wouldn't even question him on it, but as I know you don't research anything, as you have proven over and over, and just copy paste badly written garbage ion the internet, I don't expect anything more from you.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 12:46 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;53063 wrote:
but as I know you don't research anything, as you have proven over and over, and just copy paste badly written garbage ion the internet, I don't expect anything more from you.


That's funny

everything in that post was either a direct quote or a vote he cast

so if you take offense to it I would consider taking it up with him not I

Weak on Terror
Weak on Crime
Weak on Drugs

you can respond 1,000 times and it will not change his voting record


and if Andrew Jackson were alive today he'd shoot Paul dead on the white house lawn...
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 01:05 am
@Silverchild79,
Well, thanks for the proof that you have no intention in being honest in your disingenuous critisisms. Anyone reading this can see right through you. Try researching instead of copy pasting, or don't, it's not like you could lose credibility, you didn't have any to start with.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 03:53 am
@Silverchild79,
Simply put, you are woefully out of your depth in trying to call Ron Paul a liberal, and attempting to back it up with some lame ass copy paste list written by someone else that has zero clue. Basing you ridiculous statement on a not thought out at all piece of internet trash is bad jewjew. I seriously suggest, all animosity aside, that you actually research his stance on these and other issues, try to have an open mind, and don't worry about what Fox News would say or think of you actually knowing the truth about what Ron Paul says.


The below is just the tip of the iceberg.

Silverchild79;53065 wrote:

Weak on Terror


Ron Paul voted for the authority to go after AQ....where they actually are, not where our corporate interest wished they were. Ron Pauls foreign policy would defuse MANY, not all, but many of the reasons that terrorist have for hating us. If you do not understand that, I suggest you do more research than flag waving at Fox broadcast.

Entangling Alliances
Interventionism? Isolationism? Actually, Both.
Surrender Should not be an Option
Exposing the True Isolationists
Fixing What’s Wrong With Iraq
Hypocrisy in the Middle East
Can We Achieve Peace in the Middle East?
The Original Foreign Policy
Foreign Policy, Monetary Policy, and Gas Prices
Sanctions against Iran

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Weak on Crime


That's a big negative. Ron Paul has never advocated that we soften our stance on violent crime...ever. Part of the reasons he votes against certain bills is that we waste untold billions incarcerating non-violent offenders, especially victims in the war on drugs. So instead of having an effecient, streamlined system that is able to concentrate on REAL crime, we have a clogged court system, overcrowded prisons, overworked, and underpaid corrections personnel, and an increase in repeat violent offenders. This system does not work, and cost taxpayers out the nose. In regards to the death penalty, he opposes it because it seems every year, more and more people are proven innocent due to forensic evidence that was not availible at their trial. For someone to inspouse the principles of individual liberty, and support state and federal murder of possibly innocent people would be hypocritical to say the least.

Maybe this will give you some insight as to how he comes to his decisions

TST: Federalization of crime contrary to Constitution

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Weak on Drugs


Ron Paul is strongly against illegal drugs, but, he is also strongly against the failed war on drugs. He also believes the drugs and their legality should be a state issue, not a federal issue, as the federal government has been a proven failure in this arena.

The War on Drugs is a War on Doctors
The Federal War on Pain Relief
Drug Reimportation Increases Medical Freedom
Unintended Consequences of the Drug War

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Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)


TST: Flag Amendment is a reckless solution
The Flag Burning Amendment

"Patriot" Act...

Don't Reauthorize the Patriot Act

Gay marriage, and a constitutional amendment to redifine it...

Cultural Conservatives Lose if Gay Marriage is Federalized
Gay Marriage Quicksand

US sovereignty, NAFTA, CAFTA, Free Trade Agreements, foreign trade and WTO...

Does the WTO Serve Our Interests?
CAFTA: More Bureaucracy, Less Free Trade
NeoCon Global Government
CAFTA and Dietary Supplements
A North American United Nations?
The NAFTA Superhighway
Regulation, Free Trade and Mexican Trucks
American National Sovereignty vs. UN "International Law"- Time for Congress to Vote
Don't Antagonize our Trading Partners
Another United Nations War?
Say NO to UNESCO
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr031302.htm
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr022802B.htm
Texas Straight Talk
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr022702.htm
Expansion of NATO is a Bad Idea
A New China Policy
Free Trade
AMERICA'S ROLE IN THE UNITED NATIONS
WHAT IS FREE TRADE?
Texas Straight Talk
Struggling for Relevance in Cuba:* Close, Still No Cigars
Bowing and Scraping for the WTO

Liberals HATE him because of his stance on abortion, you hvae no clue if you think he is weak on abortion, or has liberal views on it...

Pro-life Politics?
Missing the Point: Federal Funding of Stem Cell Research
YouTube - Ron Paul on Abortion and Stem Cell Research
Ron Paul 2008 › Issues › Life and Liberty

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If you are truely interested, which I don't think you are, but whatever, you can go here, and start reading....

Congressman Ron Paul, when you are done there, head here...The Ron Paul File
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:34 am
@92b16vx,
You can not simply say, "He is weak on crime because he voted against XXX". What was in the bill, how did it read, what else was in there? He voted against protecting gun manufacturer from lawsuits, a ot of people saw it as antigun, but in reality, it was VERY pro-gun, and if you research his reasoning, you'd see that it actually is.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 01:06 pm
@Silverchild79,
I'm not simply saying it

Rated 11% by the NCJA, indicating a "soft-on-crime" stance. (Dec 2005)

the experts are, and it happens to be true

I know the truth of it hurts your push for Paul, but reality has always been the natural predator of Libertarians
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 01:08 pm
@Silverchild79,
"You have zero grasp of the Constitution, and the role it plays, or the role and authority it gives the government."

Oops. I should've known you're an expert.:frown:
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 01:18 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;53087 wrote:
I'm not simply saying it

Rated 11% by the NCJA, indicating a "soft-on-crime" stance. (Dec 2005)

the experts are, and it happens to be true

I know the truth of it hurts your push for Paul, but reality has always been the natural predator of Libertarians


Your lies have been thoroughly debunked. You obvioulsly have no interest in the truth, so continue lapping up the vomit.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 01:19 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;53088 wrote:
"You have zero grasp of the Constitution, and the role it plays, or the role and authority it gives the government."

Oops. I should've known you're an expert.:frown:


Nope, but Ron Paul is, Silver didn't post my take on those issues, more disingenuousness from the peanut gallery.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 09:36 am
@Silverchild79,
92... we get it Ron Paul is god, and infallible, When he makes a good statement, its Pauls Will, when he Casts a FUCKED UP vote towards , Military, drugs, and crime, its Paul works in mysterious ways.

Ron Paul is as relevant as Mike Gravel (Democrats Version of Ron Paul, still running, but the country has shown it DOES NOT CARE

Election Center 2008: Candidates - Election & Politics News from CNN.com
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 09:40 am
@Silverchild79,
Quick 92... point out how this was taken out of context and Only YOU and Ron Paul understand why the vote was PERFECT and infallible

Ron Paul On Iraq
Voted against use of military force in Iraq. Supports withdrawing troops from Iraq, but opposed war spending bill which included a plan to withdraw most U.S. troops by March 2008.




Wants the troops out NOW... But refuses to pay for them to come home??? Hmmm

I suppose This All or Nothing COMMUNIST trait is why he is the CLEAR choice for president (amongst Ron Paul Sheep)
92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 11:44 am
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;53202 wrote:
92... we get it Ron Paul is god, and infallible, When he makes a good statement, its Pauls Will, when he Casts a ***ED UP vote towards , Military, drugs, and crime, its Paul works in mysterious ways.

Ron Paul is as relevant as Mike Gravel (Democrats Version of Ron Paul, still running, but the country has shown it DOES NOT CARE

Election Center 2008: Candidates - Election & Politics News from CNN.com


Never said he was god, or infallible, only pointed out the error of the lies being told.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 12:20 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;53203 wrote:
Quick 92... point out how this was taken out of context and Only YOU and Ron Paul understand why the vote was PERFECT and infallible

Ron Paul On Iraq
Voted against use of military force in Iraq. Supports withdrawing troops from Iraq, but opposed war spending bill which included a plan to withdraw most U.S. troops by March 2008.




Wants the troops out NOW... But refuses to pay for them to come home??? Hmmm

I suppose This All or Nothing COMMUNIST trait is why he is the CLEAR choice for president (amongst Ron Paul Sheep)



While I haven't heard him state his exact reason I can guess, because it didn't bring all the troops home would be an underlying reason, and if it is the bill I am thinking of, the demonrats added a bunch of domestic spending to it, and were hoping everyone would vote so they could say "they supported the troops", or use that against them in the future.

Why don't you find the text of the bill, and all the extra expenditures added and form your own opinion instead of just blabbering on about something you don't know about? This is exactly the type of thing I get annoyed about. No one actually researches these bill, or legislatures, and then spouts off an informed opinion about why he doesn't, or doesn't do stuff, or they just make up blatant lies, either way it's repugnant.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 01:04 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;53203 wrote:
Ron Paul On Iraq
Voted against use of military force in Iraq. Supports withdrawing troops from Iraq, but opposed war spending bill which included a plan to withdraw most U.S. troops by March 2008.


This, more then anything else, clearly illustrates that Ron Paul is not a leader, rather just the cynical son of the Republican party.

He wants them home but doesn't want to actually have to pay for it, that is exactly what I mean when I talk about the politics of American Convenience.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 01:11 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;53220 wrote:
This, more then anything else, clearly illustrates that Ron Paul is not a leader, rather just the cynical son of the Republican party.

He wants them home but doesn't want to actually have to pay for it, that is exactly what I mean when I talk about the politics of American Convenience.


Did you research the bill? Why do I doubt it?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 01:17 pm
@Silverchild79,
Since I know you two will just parrot your mindless sheep-like MSM garbage without any real researxh into the bill, or what it actually proposes...here is Ron Pauls response to the bill...

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Before the U.S. House of Representatives on July 12, 2007

I rise in opposition to HR 2956 which, while a well-intended attempt to reduce our nation’s seemingly unlimited military commitment in Iraq, is in so many respects deeply flawed.

I have been one of the strongest opponents of military action against Iraq. I voted against the initial authorization in 2002 and I have voted against every supplemental appropriations bill to fund the war. I even voted against the initial “Iraq regime change” legislation back in 1998. I believe our troops should be brought back to the United States without delay. Unfortunately, one of the reasons I oppose this legislation is that it masquerades as a troop withdrawal measure but in reality may well end up increasing US commitments in the Middle East.

Mr. Speaker, this is precisely the debate we should have had four years ago, before Congress voted to abrogate its Constitutional obligation to declare war and transfer that authority to the president. Some in this body were rather glib in declaring the constitution antiquated while voting to cede the ability to initiate hostilities to the President. Now we see the result of ignoring the Constitution, and we are bringing even more mayhem to the process with this legislation.

To those who believe this act would some how end the war, I simply point to the title for Section 3 of the bill, which states, “REQUIREMENT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ARMED FORCES IN IRAQ AND TRANSITION TO A LIMITED PRESENCE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN IRAQ.” However the number of troops are limited, this legislation nevertheless will permit an ongoing American military presence in Iraq with our soldiers continuing to be engaged in hostilities.

I also wish to draw attention to Section 4(b)(1), which mandates the President to submit a “Strategy for Iraq” by the beginning of next year. This “strategy” is to include:

“A discussion of United States national security interests in Iraq and the broader Middle East region and the diplomatic, political, economic, and military components of a comprehensive strategy to maintain and advance such interests as the Armed Forces are redeployed from Iraq pursuant to section 3 of this Act.”

In other words, far from extricating ourselves from the debacle in Iraq, this bill would set in motion a policy that could lead to a wider regional commitment, both financially and militarily. Such a policy would be disastrous for both our overextended national security forces and beleaguered taxpayers. This could, in fact, amount to an authorization for a region-wide “surge.”

Congress’ job is to change the policy on Iraq, not to tell the military leaders how many troops they should have. I have attempted to do this with HR 2605, a bill to sunset after a six month period the authorization for military activity in Iraq. During this period a new plan for Iraq could be discussed and agreed. Plan first, authorization next, execution afterward. That is what we should be doing in Iraq.

In summary, Mr. Speaker, this legislation brings us no closer to ending the war in Iraq. It brings us no closer to bringing our troops home. It says nothing about withdrawal, only about redeployment. It says nothing about reducing US presence in the Middle East, and may actually lead to an expanded US presence in the region. We have no guarantee the new strategy demanded by this legislation would not actually expand our military activities to Iran and Syria and beyond. I urge my colleagues to reject this legislation and put forth an effective strategy to end the war in Iraq and to bring our troops home.


So it seems in fact that it would NOT lower the number of troops, or bring us any closer to ending this farce of a war.
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