a WWII German Man Speaks on Radical Islam

His example's were Iran and Saudi for the reason of Sharia law. You think them not extremists?

OK 92 - we've just elected you President of the USA - what would you do in the Middle East..?

Bush dosent seem to bothered that the Saudis have sharia law,he is good friends with them.

I am constantly amazed by the relevance of your comments.

Cant you see the relavance ? Saudi Arabia,home of wahhabism,extreme radical teachings,home of Bin-laden and 15 of the 19 bombers on 9/11.
Also Bush says he wants democray throughout the middle-east,what about the Saudis

The discussion has nothing at all to do with Bush. :no:

A German's point of view on Islam

A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War IIowned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

"Very few people were true Nazis" he said, "but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace.

Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority", the "silent majority", is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet

And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up , because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

nothing beats the voice of experience

Seems someone is a little obsessed with Bush.

Anyway, as it's totally irrelevant, why can't you save it instead of hijacking the thread?

How many people were stoned in the bible? How many blacks were hung for being black? don't pretend we are not without our bloody hands. Obviously we strive to stay a modern society, and be moral, the middle east is living in the past, but guess what? It isn't our job to bring them up to speed. Sorry, I just do not care to see our military, and our soldiers, and our money, and our childrens future pissed away so we can play righteous in the middle east.

It isn't our job to bring them up to speed.

Sorry, I just do not care to see our military, and our soldiers, and our money, and our childrens future pissed away so we can play righteous in the middle east

Seems someone is a little obsessed with Bush.

Anyway, as it's totally irrelevant, why can't you save it instead of hijacking the thread?

Scooby will be miserable without Bush to hate and blame for everything. Just watch -- he'll make ten excuses for Bill-Hillary for every accusation he made against Bush. Scoob's last, dying words will probably be something like, "Bush killed me.":headbang:

Europe had better wake up and get tough on Islam, or face certain doom. Bush Derangement Syndrome aside, at least the US is fighting back.

The only problem with this thoery is that unlike Nazis, and communist Russia is that radical islam extremist is not a party in a country, and don't have a homeland. They work outside of any establishment, unlike Nazis, and communist.

except for when they seize control of countries like Afghanistan which they had until we removed them

they are also seeking power in Turkey, Palestine, Egypt, Iran & Syria (which they already partially have), Lebanon and Iraq

we should feel lucky their threat is thus far manageable

Again its "irrelevant" in your opinion,the thread is about Radical Islam,and Saudi Arabia is home to Wahhabism,a radical form of islam.

One of the first things I would do is drill in ANWAR to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, then push companies to compete in alternative energy, and let that market produce a cost effective solution. As far as what's going on in the middle east, our troops would be gone, maybe not back in America, nearby though in case it got too out of control, and lay on diplomacy, and sanctions if nescessary, and let the middle east fix the middle east (or destroy itself). One thing I do not agree with Ron Paul on is pulling all of our troops from around the world. In Europe for example, that would have drastic ecomonical consequences on the country. They would get by and adjust eventually, but I would definitely immediately downsize operations to essentials, and have enough resources for immediate action if nescessary. I do not however fear that if we remove our troops the islamic radicals are going to infiltrate the Europeans and institute Shaira Law there.

Removing the radicals motives for hating us, is a small part in fixing the middle east. Just like we haven't gotten to the point were are at today overnight, fixing it will not take only a day. If they no longer have the excuse of our troops in their holylands, and our interfence with their governments and societies, and still insist on attacking us, we will have the right to defend, and destroy, and be righteous about it. As it is today, with our actions since the 50's, we can hardly claim we are completely innocent in the relations we have now.

The discussion has nothing at all to do with Bush. :no:

So you think Islam is going to take over Europe !

Not going to happen pino.

except for when they seize control of countries like Afghanistan which they had until we removed them

they are also seeking power in Turkey, Palestine, Egypt, Iran & Syria (which they already partially have), Lebanon and Iraq

we should feel lucky their threat is thus far manageable