a WWII German Man Speaks on Radical Islam

@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;50075 wrote:

And Muslim extremists twisted the words of the Koran accordingly, I suppose?

And you don't think they did? You think that the billions of muslims around the world that live perfectly peacefully with other members of the world, including the US, are what? Just whating in lying for the right moment to strike, and kill all the infidels? LOLOLOLOL

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;50090 wrote:

And you don't think they did? You think that the billions of muslims around the world that live perfectly peacefully with other members of the world, including the US, are what? Just whating in lying for the right moment to strike, and kill all the infidels? LOLOLOLOL

It's all or nothing right? Either you think all Muslims are extremists or none are, right? You can't say Islam is a religion of peace and there's no way Muslims can be violent in accordance with the Koran.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;50103 wrote:

It's all or nothing right? Either you think all Muslims are extremists or none are, right?

You tell me, you're the one saying that many of the muslim nations are extremist, and comparing them to Nazis.

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@Silverchild79,

His example's were Iran and Saudi for the reason of Sharia law. You think them not extremists?

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@DurtySanches,

DurtySanches;50115 wrote:

His example's were Iran and Saudi for the reason of Sharia law. You think them not extremists?

While you may not like the way they are, or the way they treat women, it doesn't make them "extremist". They feel the same way about Americans and all of our excessive, gimme, gimme, gimme lifestyle.

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@Silverchild79,

So your answer to the question is?

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@DurtySanches,

DurtySanches;50123 wrote:

So your answer to the question is?

It's hard to say. Seems to me that terrorism against western interest have picked up a lot in the last 50 years, and the more we meddle, the worse it gets. I do not know if backing off is going to undo the damage done, but we would definitely have the moral high ground again.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;50071 wrote:

Paranoid, and delusional, and entirely avoidable. In 1953 our CIA made a policy descision that is still effecting us today. The middle east LOVED America, now we are their pariah.

The mid east loved us? Are you sure that extremist Muslims had not by that time figured out that by using international terror they could actually increase their coffers? That by inciting fellow Muslims they could create an entity of power? The west simply provided the convenient reason. Which they would have created in due time. Or one might view the building of broken relations as a result of a lack of ability and or desire on the part of Muslims to make nice.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;50122 wrote:

While you may not like the way they are, or the way they treat women, it doesn't make them "extremist". They feel the same way about Americans and all of our excessive, gimme, gimme, gimme lifestyle.

If they aren't extremist, it's virtually impossible to be an extremist Muslim state.

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@g-man,

g-man;50139 wrote:

The mid east loved us? Are you sure that extremist Muslims had not by that time figured out that by using international terror they could actually increase their coffers?

I wasn't alive in the <50's, but seems everything I have read indicated that we had a very good relation with many middle eastern countries. Wouldn't it be great if we could just rewrite history and make them our eternal enemies and then get on with the fear/war/hate mongering unimpedded?

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;50122 wrote:

While you may not like the way they are, or the way they treat women, it doesn't make them "extremist". They feel the same way about Americans and all of our excessive, gimme, gimme, gimme lifestyle.

While our "gimme, gimme, gimme lifestyle makes us guilty and answerable to God, it does not make us comparable to Islam who judges and causes suffering and death to those guilty of civil issues. Stoning women for being "victims" of rape constitutes extremism.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;50160 wrote:

I wasn't alive in the <50's, but seems everything I have read indicated that we had a very good relation with many middle eastern countries. Wouldn't it be great if we could just rewrite history and make them our eternal enemies and then get on with the fear/war/hate mongering unimpedded?

It is not a desire to "rewrite" history to place all blame on the Arab world, rather a desire to apply the blame that is due the Arab world. Something quippers don't seem to grasp. That not only is American policy to blame, but Arab policies are culpable in the condition of current relations.

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@g-man,

g-man;50170 wrote:

While our "gimme, gimme, gimme lifestyle makes us guilty and answerable to God, it does not make us comparable to Islam who judges and causes suffering and death to those guilty of civil issues. Stoning women for being "victims" of rape constitutes extremism.

How many people were stoned in the bible? How many blacks were hung for being black? don't pretend we are not without our bloody hands. Obviously we strive to stay a modern society, and be moral, the middle east is living in the past, but guess what? It isn't our job to bring them up to speed. Sorry, I just do not care to see our military, and our soldiers, and our money, and our childrens future pissed away so we can play righteous in the middle east.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;50175 wrote:

How many people were stoned in the bible? How many blacks were hung for being black? don't pretend we are not without our bloody hands. Obviously we strive to stay a modern society, and be moral, the middle east is living in the past, but guess what? It isn't our job to bring them up to speed. Sorry, I just do not care to see our military, and our soldiers, and our money, and our childrens future pissed away so we can play righteous in the middle east.

Injustice is a part of humanity. Will never end. Hanging of blacks was never condoned by American society. Stoning has never been a factor in western society. We're not without innocent blood. It is our job to bring them up to speed. Because they see it as their job to bring us to their standard. It's a matter of self defense. Your children future is already pissed away if we allow them to dictate to us the future.

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@g-man,

g-man;50185 wrote:

Injustice is a part of humanity. Will never end. Hanging of blacks was never condoned by American society. Stoning has never been a factor in western society. We're not without innocent blood. It is our job to bring them up to speed. Because they see it as their job to bring us to their standard. It's a matter of self defense. Your children future is already pissed away if we allow them to dictate to us the future.

No, it is mostly certainly NOT our job to bring the middle east up to speed. They are not dictating anything. Our government does more damage to us in the name of "protecting" us than any muslim nation EVER could. Here's a little perspective of how ridiculous some people are...more American people are killed by drunk drivers every year than Americans have been killed by muslim terrorist...ever.

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@Silverchild79,

OK 92 - we've just elected you President of the USA - what would you do in the Middle East..?

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@Silverchild79,

oops, sorry, posted the question twice...

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@socalgolfguy,

socalgolfguy;50245 wrote:

OK 92 - we've just elected you President of the USA - what would you do in the Middle East..?

One of the first things I would do is drill in ANWAR to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, then push companies to compete in alternative energy, and let that market produce a cost effective solution. As far as what's going on in the middle east, our troops would be gone, maybe not back in America, nearby though in case it got too out of control, and lay on diplomacy, and sanctions if nescessary, and let the middle east fix the middle east (or destroy itself). One thing I do not agree with Ron Paul on is pulling all of our troops from around the world. In Europe for example, that would have drastic ecomonical consequences on the country. They would get by and adjust eventually, but I would definitely immediately downsize operations to essentials, and have enough resources for immediate action if nescessary. I do not however fear that if we remove our troops the islamic radicals are going to infiltrate the Europeans and institute Shaira Law there.

Removing the radicals motives for hating us, is a small part in fixing the middle east. Just like we haven't gotten to the point were are at today overnight, fixing it will not take only a day. If they no longer have the excuse of our troops in their holylands, and our interfence with their governments and societies, and still insist on attacking us, we will have the right to defend, and destroy, and be righteous about it. As it is today, with our actions since the 50's, we can hardly claim we are completely innocent in the relations we have now.

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@Silverchild79,

Any comments out there..?

Gotta take some calls, I'll be back later....

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;50071 wrote:

Paranoid, and delusional, and entirely avoidable. In 1953 our CIA made a policy descision that is still effecting us today. The middle east LOVED America, now we are their pariah.

Some posters on here seem to forget that ot just turn a blind eye to it.

One poster might even say its "irrelavant" :wtf:

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