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Does Ron Paul have enough eperience to lead this nation?

 
 
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 02:24 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;43558 wrote:
Yes that's lovely, Paul can speak of what he'll do in a leadership role just as easily as Rudy can speak of what he'll do when confronting fiscal issues. Your position was that Paul lacks EXPERIENCE leading people, I contend that Rudy lacks EXPERIENCE with federal monetary and budgetary policies. His platform doesn't make up for these shortcomings.


umm, NYC has a higher GNP then Australia, Turkey and Argentina...

Economy of New York City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:
New York City has an estimated gross city product of $457.3 billion(2006), larger than the GDP of Switzerland ($377 billion). If it were a country, the city's economy would be 17th largest in the world


I'd say that qualifies, but let me guess, now you'll say it isn't even in the top then. And what expericne does Ron Paul have save for voting no a bunch of times?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 02:35 pm
@Silverchild79,
Infact here's a list of all the countries whith smaller economies then NYC

NYC 457,000

17 Belgium 393,590
18 Turkey 392,424
19 Sweden 385,293
20 Switzerland 377,240
21 Indonesia 364,239
22 Republic of China (Taiwan) 355,708
23 Saudi Arabia 348,604
24 Poland 338,689
25 Norway 335,281
26 Austria 321,934
27 Greece 307,709
28 Denmark 276,611
29 South Africa 255,155
30 Ireland 222,080
31 Argentina 212,702
32 Iran 212,492
33 Finland 210,837
34 Thailand 206,258
35 Portugal 194,989
36 Hong Kong, PRC 189,538
37 Venezuela 181,608
38 United Arab Emirates 168,263
39 Malaysia 150,923
40 Chile 145,205
41 Czech Republic 141,801
42 Israel 140,195
43 Colombia 135,075
44 Singapore 132,155
45 Pakistan 128,996
46 Romania 121,901
47 Philippines 116,931
48 Nigeria 115,350
49 Algeria 114,322
50 Hungary 114,273
51 Egypt 107,375
52 Ukraine 106,072
53 New Zealand 103,380
54 Kuwait 96,132
55 Peru 93,268
56 Kazakhstan 77,237
57 Bangladesh 65,216
58 Vietnam 60,995
59 Morocco 57,407
60 Slovakia 54,969
61 Qatar 52,722
62 Libya 50,330
63 Angola 43,759
64 Croatia 42,456
65 Luxembourg 40,577
66 Ecuador 40,447
67 Sudan 37,564
68 Slovenia 37,340
69 Belarus 36,944
70 Oman 35,992
71 Guatemala 35,304
72 Dominican Republic 31,600
73 Serbia 31,589
74 Syrian Arab Republic 31,505
75 Tunisia 30,620
76 Bulgaria 30,608
77 Lithuania 29,784
78 Sri Lanka 26,794
79 Kenya 23,1871
80 Lebanon 22,622
81 Turkmenistan 21,846
82 Costa Rica 21,384
83 Trinidad and Tobago 19,935
84 Azerbaijan 19,817
85 Latvia 19,621
86 Uruguay 19,221
87 Yemen 18,700
88 Cameroon 18,372
89 El Salvador 18,341
90 Cyprus 18,235
91 C?te d'Ivoire 17,339
92 Panama 17,113
93 Iceland 16,579
94 Estonia 16,410
95 Uzbekistan 16,088
96 Bahrain 16,065
97 Jordan 14,318
98 Ethiopia 13,315
99 Myanmar 13,002
100 Ghana 12,894
101 Tanzania 12,787
102 Brunei Darussalam 11,438
103 Bosnia and Herzegovina 11,396
104 Zambia 10,942
105 Bolivia 10,828
106 Botswana 10,808
107 Jamaica 10,565
108 Uganda 9,443
109 Senegal 9,242
110 Equatorial Guinea 9,135
111 Albania 9,133
112 Gabon 9,124
113 Honduras 8,981
114 Paraguay 8,773
115 Democratic Republic of Congo 8,543
116 Afghanistan 8,399
117 Nepal 7,994
118 Georgia 7,830
119 Republic of Congo 7,399
120 Mozambique 7,296
121 Cambodia 7,096
122 Chad 6,547
123 Armenia 6,410
124 Mauritius 6,402
125 Namibia 6,316
126 Republic of Macedonia 6,248
127 Bahamas, The 6,223
128 Mali 6,191
129 Malta 6,085
130 Burkina Faso 6,055
131 Zimbabwe 5,540
132 Madagascar 5,489
133 Nicaragua 5,369
134 Benin 4,760
135 Haiti 4,473
136 Papua New Guinea 4,338
137 Niger 3,550
138 Lao People's Democratic Republic 3,437
139 Barbados 3,386
140 Guinea 3,317
141 Moldova 3,242
142 Netherlands Antilles 3,204
143 Fiji 2,977
144 Kyrgyz Republic 2,822
145 Tajikistan 2,811
146 Mongolia 2,803
147 Mauritania 2,663
148 Swaziland 2,637
149 Rwanda 2,397
150 Malawi 2,238
151 Togo 2,210
152 Suriname 2,112
153 Lesotho 1,634
154 Cape Verde 1,150
155 Central African Republic 1,488
156 Sierra Leone 1,419
157 Belize 1,213
158 Eritrea 1,160
159 Maldives 988
160 Bhutan 983
161 Antigua and Barbuda 962
162 St. Lucia 933
163 Burundi 908
164 Guyana 870
165 Djibouti 768
166 Seychelles 749
167 Liberia 622
168 Grenada 529
169 The Gambia 507
170 St. Kitts and Nevis 487
171 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 466
172 Comoros 402
173 Vanuatu 387
174 Samoa 365
175 East Timor 356
176 Solomon Islands 321
177 Guinea-Bissau 305
178 Dominica 300
179 Tonga 224
180 S?o Tom? and Pr?ncipe 79
181 Kiribati 60


see what I'm getting at?
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Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 02:37 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43560 wrote:
umm, NYC has a higher GNP then Australia, Turkey and Argentina...

Economy of New York City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I'd say that qualifies, but let me guess, now you'll say it isn't even in the top then. And what expericne does Ron Paul have save for voting no a bunch of times?


Are you seriously comparing Turkey's economy to the US economy? Rudy has never handled an economy the size of the United States.

Ron Paul sits on the Financial Services committee, so he hears testimony day in and day out about banking, finances, imports, exports, budgets, etc. He votes "no" a lot because most forms of legislation (like tariffs) HURT Americans, or are unconsitutional.

He also sits on the Foreign Affairs committee, and hears testimony from experts day in and day out concerning matters of diplomacy. What has Rudy done in the realm of diplomacy?
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 02:52 pm
@Silverchild79,
haha, face it, you said he had no experience guiding an economy on a national level, I produced 160+ countries will smaller economies then the one he presided over, you've been debunked
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:00 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43563 wrote:
haha, face it, you said he had no experience guiding an economy on a national level, I produced 160+ countries will smaller economies then the one he presided over, you've been debunked


No, I said national level. "National level" of the United States equates to a $10trillion GDP. He ran a city economy, albeit a massive city economy. He has no grasp of agricultural, energy, or international trade, all aspects of NATIONAL economics. NYC doesn't have the authority to levy tariffs or set economic policy at all, he simply managed NYC's BUDGET, and it's debatable as to his level of involvement. Paul not only has experience concerning budgets, but also ECONOMIES. Rudy has ZERO national monetary or economic experience, and what little experience he has doesn't come close to being adequate for the $10trillion GDP of this country (and our $9trillion trade deficit). Do you seriously think NYC's economy is in any way comparable to that of the greatest economic power in the history of mankind? NYC doesn't even beat out the UK, and they're in a lot less trouble than we are.

Debunked my ass, he governed a large city, he isn't qualified to run the world's Superpower.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:05 pm
@Silverchild79,
Well Ron Paul has even less experience, his role in the National economy is 1/535th of the Legislative branch

I'd take somebody who's had excellent results reforming the 17th largest world economy anyday over somebody who's been sitting in the back row of class shooting down every idea which comes across the table

all you an talk about is what Ron Paul hasn't done or refused to support

name one thing Paul has accomplised that has impacted our economy on a national level
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:11 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43566 wrote:
Well Ron Paul has even less experience, his role in the National economy is 1/535th of the Legislative branch

I'd take somebody who's had excellent results reforming the 17th largest world economy anyday over somebody who's been sitting in the back row of class shooting down every idea which comes across the table


What did Giuliani do to reform NYC's economy? Exactly, what did GIULIANI do?

Paul votes against protectionist tariffs and subsidies, and encourages free trade. He has written extensively on the necessity of the gold standard, and has had his work published and read by many monetary policy experts. Paul was also in Washington when the balanced budget and surplus were created, and was a serious proponent of such measures.

Fact is, Paul understands economics and business better than Giuliani could ever hope to, and Giuliani lacks the experience necessary to form educated opinions concerning economic policy in such a massive entity.

Tell me, do you believe Vladimir Putin capable of handling the US economy?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:15 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;43567 wrote:
What did Giuliani do to reform NYC's economy? Exactly, what did GIULIANI do?


http://www.clubforgrowth.org/media/uploads/070511-white-paper-giuliani.pdf

give it up man, I can do this all day long because Paul has no history of economical leadership and Rudy's body of work is excellent

I've provided you with three requested responces now, where's my answer?

what has Paul ever accomplised in regards to the national economy, if he has all this experience tell me about something
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:15 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43566 wrote:
Well Ron Paul has even less experience, his role in the National economy is 1/535th of the Legislative branch

I'd take somebody who's had excellent results reforming the 17th largest world economy anyday over somebody who's been sitting in the back row of class shooting down every idea which comes across the table

all you an talk about is what Ron Paul hasn't done or refused to support

name one thing Paul has accomplised that has impacted our economy on a national level


He has consistently voted AGAINST tariffs and FOR free trade between nations. These tariffs and WTO membership bills pass anyway because the vast majority of Republicans and Democrats cater to the organized labor and protectionist crowd. Paul has however been a vocal critic of these measures, and if you ask any economics professor you'll see that his positions are factually AND theoretically sound. No legislation, you're right, but in a democracy, we don't like it when ONE MAN effects change, do we?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:18 pm
@Silverchild79,
umm, he still has more experience, and more support then Ron Paul... regardless of how bitter you are
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:18 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;43569 wrote:
He has consistently voted AGAINST tariffs and FOR free trade between nations. These tariffs and WTO membership bills pass anyway because the vast majority of Republicans and Democrats cater to the organized labor and protectionist crowd. Paul has however been a vocal critic of these measures, and if you ask any economics professor you'll see that his positions are factually AND theoretically sound. No legislation, you're right, but in a democracy, we don't like it when ONE MAN effects change, do we?


so your saying his only experience is saying the word "No" a bunch of times? By that measure any single mother of a 2 year old would do nicely...
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:23 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43568 wrote:
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/media/uploads/070511-white-paper-giuliani.pdf

give it up man, I can do this all day long because Paul has no history of economical leadership and Rudy's body of work is excellent

I've provided you with three requested responces now, where's my answer?

what has Paul ever accomplised in regards to the national economy, if he has all this experience tell me about something


The mayor of New York doesn't cut taxes, the City Council does. He just approves the measure as the head of the Council and chief executive. This is the problem with democracy, it doesn't allow people to take credit for things they didn't do.

In your own source it also mentions that Giuliani failed to support STATE tax cuts, and failed to support a measure to cut a $600billion income tax surcharge. Where's the consistency?

Paul has NEVER voted to raise taxes, and has NEVER voted for an unbalanced budget.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:24 pm
@Silverchild79,
it say that while he wasn't perfect he must be largely credited with turning around NYC's economy. He did it once, he'll do it again
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:25 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43571 wrote:
so your saying his only experience is saying the word "No" a bunch of times? By that measure any single mother of a 2 year old would do nicely...


He's got the benefit of sitting in Congress during the good times and the bad, hearing testimony from countless experts in the realms of foreign policy and trade, and actually READING government documents (Constitution, 9/11 Commission Report, etc). Giuliani's economic policy is similar to GW's, cut taxes but maintain spending through poorly planned foreign policy and domestic tomfoolery.

If Giuliani is so awesome, why do New Yorkers prefer Bloomberg?
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Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:27 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43573 wrote:
it say that while he wasn't perfect he must be largely credited with turning around NYC's economy. He did it once, he'll do it again


He did it once......no, he didn't.

His city council did......

and they did it with an economy less than 5% of the size of the federal GDP.....


and no decisions to make concerning international trade regulations......

and no defense budget........

and no foreign policy decisions to make.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:45 pm
@Silverchild79,
you Ron Pauler's are just like your namesake, all you do is whine and you have a terrible sense of reality...
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:47 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild, you are getting raped here, and you last comment proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:58 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;43578 wrote:
Silverchild, you are getting raped here, and you last comment proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.


??

how do you say that, I post statistic after statistic, report after report. You guys respond with "yeah well he sucks, RON PAUL!!!" and I'm on the losing end?

how am I being raped when it's me doing all the work in bed?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:59 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43579 wrote:
??

how do you say that, I post statistic after statistic, report after report. You guys respond with "yeah well he sucks, RON PAUL!!!" and I'm on the losing end?

how am I being raped when it's me doing all the work in bed?


Because Freeman has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ron Paul does have the experiance and knowledge to lead the country in areas that need his utmost attention, and that Rudy the liberal democrat Giuliani does not.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 04:06 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;43580 wrote:
Because Freeman has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ron Paul does have the experience and knowledge to lead the country in areas that need his utmost attention, and that Rudy the liberal democrat Giuliani does not.


he's presented no proof, he's presented nothing but his opinion

I've shown documentation on how the size of NYC's economy means that Rudy's fiscal experience should be considered, I've shown documentation on how Rudy's policies are independently credited whith NYC's economical success.

Yet he throws a little mud, with no substance, and he wins? Haha, reality has escaped you. The fact is the only maningfull thing Ron Paul has brought up is that the government is failing the people, well Mr Paul you can file that under sh1t I already know...

And Rudy knows the answer, he took on a similar challange in NYC, the world's 17th largest economy. His actions have been independatly credited to him as the saving grace of the economy. Your mudslinging doesn't change that, neither does the lemonade stand Paul ran...

let me brake it down for you

Rudy's Experience

http://photos.somd.com/data/500/nyc_012.jpg


Paul's Experience

http://www.sunrisegrocery.com/images/lemonadeStand.jpg

any questions?
 

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