POTW: Would leaving Iraq incite genocide?

@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;15713 wrote:

the problem with your statements, 92b16vx, is that we aren't fighting Iraqi's. That is the biggest brainwash of them all

we're fighting Al Qaeda, in Iraq. They are terrorists, it can't be said that they aren't

and death tolls? 4 years later and we haven't lost enough men to constitute 1 bad year in Vietnam. This country is spineless

Yea, sure we are. You know who we are fighting in Iraq? Iraqis that want us to leave their country. For almost a year we ran raids, worked with intel, did our thing and guess what...99.99999% of the time we were raiding farmers, and Iraqis that other Iraqis didn't like so they told the troops they were "terrorist" and "insurgents". Hell, even in Fallujah the most of the "insurgents" that were there were from other countries.

America was so blaindsided by 911 that we let Bush lube us up and ram it right in Americas ass, well the shock is wearing of, and we are about to feel real sore.

Spineless? What do you do in the military? How many firefights have you been in? You want to say that just because we haven't lost more troops than another war, we are spineless? You'd have more and more of your brothers and sisters die because the numbers aren't as bad as another war, even though the "cause" is completely absent? Next time you pull the burnt corpse of one of your brothers in arms out of a burning vehicle, let me know if Bushs money train is worth the numbers.

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@Silverchild79,

no, I would say that America's sense of entitlement and it's tolerance as a whole for discomfort brought on by war are shocking. I would hate to think what would happen if we found ourselves back in a WWII situation. That is why America is spineless, it was no reference to the military, most of the military members still want to win, it's the spineless nation that's pulling the rug out from under our heroes...

I was in the Airforce for 6 years, I worked as an Aircraft Mechanic, that is the job I was given. I requested orders to Kuwait twice, Afghanistan once, and Iraq once. But they were turned down because the downrange aircraft we worked on, the B-1, still receives it's intermediate level and depot level maintenance in the Conus and that's what I did. I even applied to be a security forces augmentee but the need for mechanics was too great.

Don't lecture me on the sacrifice of the America soldier, I served for 6 years and this weekend I go to see my baby brother off, he's leaving for Iraq and I am proud he will contribute to so noble an effort as liberty.

And for every Iraqi farmer we raid we capture/kill a militant who hails from Iran or Syria. And don't get me started on Iranian IED's. I understand the point your trying to make, it just isn't accurate...

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@Silverchild79,

The inaccurate point is that we are fighting terroist in Iraq. I will concede that there are fighters in Iraq, terrorist if you'd like, from other countries, as I already said, that IS the point of my argument. The Iraqis we are fighting are NOT (for the most part) terrorist, the foriegn ones are, we just happen to be fighting them in Iraq because that's where Bush's money is. The ones in Iraq that are affiliated with those organizations 9 times out of 10 are only because they want to fight us for being in Iraq for no reason.

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no, I would say that America's sense of entitlement and it's tolerance as a whole for discomfort brought on by war are shocking.

Or maybe, just maybe, they see through the vail of lies, and don't want to be part of it. I don't think there would be much of a problem with Americans supporting the war effort, IF we were fighting the right enemy in the right place, none at all. I don't think I have ever heard anyone bitch about us fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, and many that I know would have much rather have invaded Iran, Syria or an actual terrorist friendly state.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;15712 wrote:

(1) That is the stupidest line of crap people throw around nowadays. Congratulations on the brainwashing, it took well. We aren't "fighting terrorist" in Iraq, I know, I was there.

(2) They don't have to follow, we can just stay where we are and US Soldiers can continue to die.

(3) Iraqis didn't attack us in the first place. Did you already forget that Iraq is just a fishing expedition to make Bushs private interest rich? Iraq did not attack the US. We are more likely to bring future violence onto Americans by STAYING in Iraq.

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1) That is the stupidest line of crap people throw around nowadays. Congratulations on the brainwashing, it took well. We aren't "fighting terrorist" in Iraq, I know, I was there.

Who were you fighting in Iraq?

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(2) They don't have to follow, we can just stay where we are and US Soldiers can continue to die.

American soldiers will continue to die no matter where they are stationed. Do you realize in the last four years of this wars timeline, we have lost more soldiers to accidents then to confrontions with terrorists?

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Iraqis didn't attack us in the first place. Did you already forget that Iraq is just a fishing expedition to make Bushs private interest rich? Iraq did not attack the US. We are more likely to bring future violence onto Americans by STAYING in Iraq

Where are you getting your information and can you provide a source? Did you forget that in 91 Saddam did attack Kuwait? We beat his ass back into his cage, and with the stroke of a pen, he promised to play nice. Well i think you know the UN put out resolution after resolution which he laughed at and then would kickout UN inspectors, wonder why every body thought he had weapons of mass destruction, wouldn't you find his behavior suspicious? So to answer question. No Iraq didn't attack us, they attacked Kuwait. We kicked there **** the first time, funny he thought we wouldn't do it again. Saddam was sorely mistaken.
How much do you wanna bet history will record something more twards my version then anything close to yours?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;15769 wrote:

Who were you fighting in Iraq?

Mostly Iraqis trying to get America out of Iraq, once in a while we went after weapons traffickers. In Fallujah we saw some foreign fighters, syrians.

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American soldiers will continue to die no matter where they are stationed. Do you realize in the last four years of this wars timeline, we have lost more soldiers to accidents then to confrontions with terrorists?

What terrorist? We lost a bunch of civilians to terrorist, but they weren't Iraqi.

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Where are you getting your information and can you provide a source? Did you forget that in 91 Saddam did attack Kuwait?

Is Kuwait the US?

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We beat his ass back into his cage,

Lol, that was like beating a three year old with a bat.

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and with the stroke of a pen, he promised to play nice. Well i think you know the UN put out resolution after resolution which he laughed at and then would kickout UN inspectors, wonder why every body thought he had weapons of mass destruction, wouldn't you find his behavior suspicious? So to answer question.

And with falsified intelligence, and a dash of proven out right lies, we used it as yet another excuse to try to get the world to let us go in. That was a funny time, they completely ran the gambit looking for a valid reason to invade.

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No Iraq didn't attack us, they attacked Kuwait.

15 years ago, maybe we should storm Germany again too huh?

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We kicked there **** the first time, funny he thought we wouldn't do it again. Saddam was sorely mistaken.
How much do you wanna bet history will record something more twards my version then anything close to yours?

Is anyone disputing going to war with Iraq 15 years ago? Nope, releveance please...

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;15810 wrote:

Mostly Iraqis trying to get America out of Iraq, once in a while we went after weapons traffickers. In Fallujah we saw some foreign fighters, syrians.

What terrorist? We lost a bunch of civilians to terrorist, but they weren't Iraqi.

Is Kuwait the US?

Lol, that was like beating a three year old with a bat.

And with falsified intelligence, and a dash of proven out right lies, we used it as yet another excuse to try to get the world to let us go in. That was a funny time, they completely ran the gambit looking for a valid reason to invade.

15 years ago, maybe we should storm Germany again too huh?

Is anyone disputing going to war with Iraq 15 years ago? Nope, releveance please...

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Mostly Iraqis trying to get America out of Iraq,

What proof do you have? And what particular places were you at?

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once in a while we went after weapons traffickers.

What nationality were they?

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In Fallujah we saw some foreign fighters, syrians.

What about the suicide bombers?

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What terrorist? We lost a bunch of civilians to terrorist, but they weren't Iraqi.

I say again, what about the suicide bombers?

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Is Kuwait the US?

It is an ally?

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Lol, that was like beating a three year old with a bat.

The outcome didn't change?

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And with falsified intelligence,

Got proof?

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and a dash of proven out right lies,

I'll wait to see how you explain the last one?

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we used it as yet another excuse to try to get the world to let us go in.

We didn't ask the world to let us in?

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That was a funny time, they completely ran the gambit looking for a valid reason to invade.

The reason to invade came when he invaded Kuwait. Please define otherwise?

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15 years ago, maybe we should storm Germany again too huh?

Sure thing, specailly if they go against what they sign? Does an agreement have an experation date?

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Is anyone disputing going to war with Iraq 15 years ago? Nope, releveance please..

Do you see any correlation in an on going war since the ninety's?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;15969 wrote:

What proof do you have? And what particular places were you at?

I don't need to prove anything to an armchair political debater, why don't you go look it up on wiki or google. I was at a FOB outside of Baqubah, maybe you can go there and round up some of the same actual information we had.

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What nationality were they?

Let me go find the copies of their birth certificates for you, or maybe you can go to IRaq and work with M.I., and Iraq nationals and get some information on that on your own.

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What about the suicide bombers?
I say again, what about the suicide bombers?

What about them? Not much left to identify, so don't ask stupid questions.

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It is an ally?
The outcome didn't change?

They've got oil. Does it ever in the area of the world?

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Got proof?
I'll wait to see how you explain the last one?

You know what google is, go use it if you can't remember what was going on three years ago.

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We didn't ask the world to let us in?

Obviously.

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The reason to invade came when he invaded Kuwait. Please define otherwise?
Sure thing, specailly if they go against what they sign? Does an agreement have an experation date?
Do you see any correlation in an on going war since the ninety's?

This isn't an on going war from the 90's, it was a convinent excuse for the Bush administration.

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@Silverchild79,

ANd I suppose that the Mahdi army and all the native Iraqi insurgents will go back to their peace loving ways once we leave?

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;16066 wrote:

ANd I suppose that the Mahdi army and all the native Iraqi insurgents will go back to their peace loving ways once we leave?

They never had peace loving ways to go back to. Politics and violence go hand in hand there, we can stay for 20 years, only thing that is going to change is the death count of American soldiers. People seem to think there is some stability there, but it really hasn't changed at all, it's just under a different name. Shitte vs Sunni isn't like democrats vs republicans, and I don't think anyone that hasn't seen it first hand can quite grasp the fundamental difference in the way they think.

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@Silverchild79,

Who said it was? I think we should split up Iraq into three parts personally. But still, they're not going to stop hating America, and there are radicals who will want to attack us.

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@Silverchild79,

you guys did notice there's a new POTW, right? ;-)

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;16193 wrote:

you guys did notice there's a new POTW, right? ;-)

Can you take S.h.i.t.t.e. out of the language filter?

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@Silverchild79,

It's 'Shiite' anyway, I always wondered why it filtered for other people when they wrote it but not me.

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@Silverchild79,

spelling>you... and usually me :-(

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@Silverchild79,

It even officially has a comma, big surprise cause it's Arabic, so you're way off.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;16251 wrote:

spelling>you... and usually me :-(

I know how to spell it, s.h.i.t.te is my personal jab at them.

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@Silverchild79,

If it is, then you can't really demand to take it out of the swear filter, it's purposeful profanity.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;16280 wrote:

If it is, then you can't really demand to take it out of the swear filter, it's purposeful profanity.

Bah humbug, I just found the swear filter at the bottom of the page...off. I hate censorship.

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@Silverchild79,

well keep PM'ing me with your POTW requests, this once drew a nice debate!

Next poll is monday

let's here some ideas

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;16295 wrote:

well keep PM'ing me with your POTW requests, this once drew a nice debate!

Next poll is monday

let's here some ideas

How about exactly what you just mentioned in that thread about global warming. Is it wrong for us to be at war with basically, the middle east, while still consuming more fossil fuel than any other nation on Earth...

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