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ron pauls' come-back to Rudy

 
 
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 09:02 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;16496 wrote:
Saddam didn't attack us on 9/11, Iraq didn't either, it wasn't a military attack. And yes, America being the world police, and selectively sticking it's nose in others peoples business is what made us a target. And no, you do not have to start in 91, you can move your timeline all the way back to the 50's. We HARDLY have an honest history in the middle east. The first step to becoming a true patriot is to recognize what is wrong, and then work to fix it.


okay, let's see some proof. The 10 years of air strikes in Iraq Paul's referencing were the product of the 1st Gulf War. It's well documented history.

so for your story to be correct all you need is a piece of American International policy which Forced Saddam to invade and occupy Kuwait.

I await your proof
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 10:06 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;16496 wrote:
Saddam didn't attack us on 9/11, Iraq didn't either, it wasn't a military attack. And yes, America being the world police, and selectively sticking it's nose in others peoples business is what made us a target. And no, you do not have to start in 91, you can move your timeline all the way back to the 50's. We HARDLY have an honest history in the middle east. The first step to becoming a true patriot is to recognize what is wrong, and then work to fix it.
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Saddam didn't attack us on 9/11
Did he attack us by shooting at our planes?
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Iraq didn't either, it wasn't a military attack

They didn't have too, they were to busy preparing for what Saddam new was coming, infact some would say provoked. Our return of military force to Iraq. Of which you participated if i'm correct? You still say the reason you were over there was to steel oil, or were you there to liberate a country from a tyrant? Did you set up a Democracy or did you line your pockets? The left leaners accuse you of terrorizing civilians, torchering and such. Are John Kerry and Murtha right about you?
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America being the world police, and selectively sticking it's nose in others peoples business is what made us a target.
Would you approve of the US getting military involved in Darfur? Or shall we let the genocide go on? Do you approve of us being a target then?
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And no, you do not have to start in 91, you can move your timeline all the way back to the 50's.
Go as far back as you think you need too. Point being history will tell a different story then the one we are hearing from you. And has historical backing, some thing i think you will never be able to overcome? You can stick to your version is if makes you feel good. But i don't think i makes you feel anything but good. Brings on alot of hate and resentment if you ask me.
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We HARDLY have an honest history in the middle east.
You saying anything we have ever tried was dishonest? Got examples?
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The first step to becoming a true patriot is to recognize what is wrong, and then work to fix it

I bet you got yourself pegged as a "true patriot?" If you are, I suppose you will have no problem showing us your theory is true. Being you think it started after 9/11, your in for a long hard road?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 10:12 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;16506 wrote:
okay, let's see some proof. The 10 years of air strikes in Iraq Paul's referencing were the product of the 1st Gulf War. It's well documented history.

so for your story to be correct all you need is a piece of American International policy which Forced Saddam to invade and occupy Kuwait.

I await your proof
I think we will be waiting a very long time.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 01:05 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;16506 wrote:
okay, let's see some proof. The 10 years of air strikes in Iraq Paul's referencing were the product of the 1st Gulf War. It's well documented history.

so for your story to be correct all you need is a piece of American International policy which Forced Saddam to invade and occupy Kuwait.

I await your proof


No, actually it doesn't. All what we are saying needs is for the US to piss off the groups that attacked the US, which it did. It really does not matter if we were right, or wrong, the FACT of the matter is that we, through our meddling in the middle east, have driven our enemies to hate us more and more, and they attacked us. To say it was unprovoked is just to wear blinders. If you think that Bin Ladens hatred started with our ******* around in Kuwait, and not or dealings with him when we were arming them to help fight the russians, well then... I know it fits the simpletons mind to try and boil it down to one specific incident, and makes it easier to digest, unfortunately, it just isn't true. Sorry guy, we can't just be convenient bedfellows and not expect that a few bastards are going to be born. For christ sake, we were backing and arming the mujahideen in the early 80's, and then I know you aren't going to deny the fukedupedness of the whole Iran/Iraq war, who helped solidify the Baathist party during all that? We did. BUt wait, shortly before hand they were supplying arms to russia, who was fighting who? Oh yea, the mujahideen, the guys we were later supporting, interesting huh? Kind of interesting to that the Soveit Union went from being one of the worlds superpowers, to almost total collapse, pretty much from carrying on a war with a small group of middle eastern rebels, kind of makes you think huh?



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I bet you got yourself pegged as a "true patriot?" If you are, I suppose you will have no problem showing us your theory is true. Being you think it started after 9/11, your in for a long hard road?


Your patriotic duty is not to George Bush, the republicans, or democrats, libertarians, or jesus christ, etc...it is to America, and what is in the best interest of the country, it's founding principles. Anyone that follows blindly is not a patriot. And please learn some grammar, your dribble is annoying to read, and there for not worthy of my time to respond to.
I Understand
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 02:41 pm
@briansol,
Theres no arguing with the "Go Git'em America" crowd. Even when u back it up with facts, they will just talk over you and bash you.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 11:20 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;16531 wrote:
No, actually it doesn't. All what we are saying needs is for the US to piss off the groups that attacked the US, which it did. It really does not matter if we were right, or wrong, the FACT of the matter is that we, through our meddling in the middle east, have driven our enemies to hate us more and more, and they attacked us. To say it was unprovoked is just to wear blinders. If you think that Bin Ladens hatred started with our ******* around in Kuwait, and not or dealings with him when we were arming them to help fight the russians, well then... I know it fits the simpletons mind to try and boil it down to one specific incident, and makes it easier to digest, unfortunately, it just isn't true. Sorry guy, we can't just be convenient bedfellows and not expect that a few bastards are going to be born. For christ sake, we were backing and arming the mujahideen in the early 80's, and then I know you aren't going to deny the fukedupedness of the whole Iran/Iraq war, who helped solidify the Baathist party during all that? We did. BUt wait, shortly before hand they were supplying arms to russia, who was fighting who? Oh yea, the mujahideen, the guys we were later supporting, interesting huh? Kind of interesting to that the Soveit Union went from being one of the worlds superpowers, to almost total collapse, pretty much from carrying on a war with a small group of middle eastern rebels, kind of makes you think huh?





Your patriotic duty is not to George Bush, the republicans, or democrats, libertarians, or jesus christ, etc...it is to America, and what is in the best interest of the country, it's founding principles. Anyone that follows blindly is not a patriot. And please learn some grammar, your dribble is annoying to read, and there for not worthy of my time to respond to.
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Your patriotic duty is not to George Bush,
Who was your commander and chief when you were in Iraq?
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the republicans, or democrats, libertarians, or jesus christ, etc...it is to America,
When you were in Iraq, were you fighting for oil or Americas will to dethrone a tyrant?
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and what is in the best interest of the country, it's founding principles.
You must be talking about sep of church and state? To you, that's a founding principle?
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Anyone that follows blindly is not a patriot. And please learn some grammar, your dribble is annoying to read, and there for not worthy of my time to respond to.
Look who's talking, waist what you will.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 11:22 pm
@I Understand,
I Understand;16542 wrote:
Theres no arguing with the "Go Git'em America" crowd. Even when u back it up with facts, they will just talk over you and bash you.
What facts? What over talk and bashing? This is coming from the tolerant bastion of openmindedness other known as Boston. You know, where there so tolerant, they must congrigate amongst themselve's so as to be able to say they tolerate.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 11:37 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;16609 wrote:
Who was your commander and chief when you were in Iraq?
When you were in Iraq, were you fighting for oil or Americas will to dethrone a tyrant?
You must be talking about sep of church and state? To you, that's a founding principle?
Look who's talking, waist what you will.


My waist is 36", reading your dribble is a waste of my time.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 11:41 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;16613 wrote:
My waist is 36", reading your dribble is a waste of my time.
Could stand to loose a few pounds huh? Dribble is a good responce when you can't come up with the answer i was asking for?

I'll ask again, When you were in Iraq, were you fighting for oil or an Iraqi democracy?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 01:39 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;16615 wrote:
Could stand to loose a few pounds huh? Dribble is a good responce when you can't come up with the answer i was asking for?

I'll ask again, When you were in Iraq, were you fighting for oil or an Iraqi democracy?


When you can communicate past a fourth grade level, I'll answer.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 06:10 am
@briansol,
Ron Paul is INSIGNIFICANT.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 08:29 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;16630 wrote:
Ron Paul is INSIGNIFICANT.


"Hi pot, this is Kettle, you're black" lol
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 08:31 am
@briansol,
Except Pino's not running for President.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 08:58 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;16642 wrote:
Except Pino's not running for President.


He is so insignificant the GOP is trying to prevent him from appearing in future debates. They are scared because the "wingnut" is garnering a LOT of the publics support. People are sick of neocons and their lies. Rep. Paul speaks the truth, and that's not good for the current goonies in power. If he was so insignificant, why would they want to ban him from future debate, surely if they are so right, and he is sooo wrong, having him display his wrongness for all the country to see would only be beneficial to them.

Pat Buchanan wrote:
"The Republican Party in Washington D.C. today are the sort of people we went into politics to run out of town,"


Speaking about the Bush administration.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 09:02 am
@briansol,
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He is so insignificant the GOP is trying to prevent him from appearing in future debates. They are scared because the "wingnut" is hiring a LOT of people to text votes in for him after debates to create the appearance that many people support him.


Now it's true.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 09:05 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;16659 wrote:
Now it's true.


Lol, more lies. Prove it.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 09:19 am
@briansol,
Well, scientific polls say that it's either that or a lot of people who are very, very drunk watch Fox news and text the completely wrong number to Fox or he hires a lot of supporters to text in votes for him after debates, because he's a very insignificant person in real polls even with all of the talking about him going on.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 09:33 am
@briansol,
Lol, yip, more of nothing.

Sam Brownback...who?
James Gilmore...who?
Duncan Hunter...who?
Tom Tancredo...who?
Tommy Thompson...who?
John Cox...who?

These guys barely place , even in your so called fake polls. More insignificant I'd say.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 09:40 am
@briansol,
Those polls are non scientific, so what? They are susceptible to things like that. I wouldn't say who for Tancredo, his name recognition must be high in a lot of places.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 01:15 pm
@I Understand,
I Understand;16542 wrote:
Theres no arguing with the "Go Git'em America" crowd. Even when u back it up with facts, they will just talk over you and bash you.


This isn't true, I asked you to provide me with something two days ago and you've yet to do it.

Ron Pauls says American forgiven policy, specifically bombing a middle eastern country for 10 years, was the main contributing factor to the resentment which caused 911.

The air strikes on Iraq during that period were always in response to Saddam testing the boundaries of the treaty he signed to end the first Gulf War, each time a Bomb was dropped or a plane was shot down it was because Saddam had forced our hand b not respecting the peace treaty.

To blame that on us would mean you have to blame us for the first gulf war, basic cause and effect logic dictates this, so then it must be provable that we forced Saddam to invade Kuwait.

I'll ask again, can either you or Paul show me anything that would suggest this? Paul's chosen starting point for analyzing American foreign policy is convenient to his point and unrealistic.
 

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