tony blair to step down

If he is not honest with his wife and kids you think he is gonna be honest with you?

For your info, something you and 92b can't get through your heads. Iraq started under Bush 41 not 43. We reinvaded after repeated attempts to get him to conply with the UN treaty he signed. I ask 92 and i'll ask you, if you have any evident no one else has seen please post it?
As far as Bill's love not costing lives? Here's a few tidbits:
White House aide blasts Clinton on Bosnia decision-making Human Events - Find Articles
The story within the story - March 15, 1999
Tammy Bruce: Liveblogging: Clinton Insists Bin Laden Not Involved in Somalia. Ever.

Mr Clinton's degrading Spectator, The - Find Articles

Still think his love life didn't cost lives?

hmmm,i think its better to lie about a bit on the side than lie about the reasons for invading iraq :thumbdown: whats worse ? as for being articulate dont you just cringe every time bush opens his mouth :eek: :wtf:

the reasons they gave for invading iraq were false,THERE WAS NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,iraq did not have any connection with 9/11,they didnt attack the usa,none of the 9/11 bombers were iraqi , most were saudis why didnt bush attack saudi arabia ? could it be his families close realtionship with the saudi royal family ?

The Clintons are the single most evil people in U.S. politics today. I especially hate the way they pimp out America's Black people. They pander to them for purposes of selfish exploitation. Not too deep beneath the surface, they despise them, and consider them neo-slaves. It's tragic.

the name pinochet suits you :thumbdown:

Did you know they could be involved in dozens of covered up murders?

have u got your colombo coat on :wtf:

I'd like to give the Clintons the "Pinochet treatment". I can see them now, camped out in my soccer stadium, awaiting some seriously rowdy times. Ha.

:eek: your a scary guy,you a football hooligan

Football hooligan? Oh, you're in the UK? What's your team?

its a scottish team :thumbup: have a guess,we will be playing in the states this summer :thumbup:

I don't follow UK, Scottish, or USA soccer. I only watch Italian football when I can get it or try to read about it when I can't, which is much often than not.

so are you of italian heritage,is that why you follow serie a

If Clinton the Sexual Predator were serious about his liberal convictions, he would include Black women and gay men in his sexual misconduct. In as much as he refuses to have 'relations' with them, he is a rotten hypocrite.

That's why I started to follow it only about a year ago, also because Italy was my favorite for the World Cup, but just one reason now. AC Milan's been my favorite since then, I wish I could have seen them beat Liverpool.

If anyone here seriously considers Tony Blair to be a competant and honest Prime Minister for the UK, you are sadly deluded.

Over the past 10 years he and his corrupt and sleazy Government has brought this once great country to its knees.

He is a liar and he has cheated us in many ways. He promised us a Health Service, once the envy of the world, which would once again shine. It is billions in debt and more people die of MRSA and C.Difficile in these disgustingly filthy hospitals in one year than the amount of soldiers killed in the Iraq war.

His words when he came to Office 'Education, education, education' were forgotten immediately and the standards in our schools have fallen to an all time low.

He promised to be tough on crime. We are a Nation who no longer imprisons criminals as there is no room in our prisons as we have built no new ones and there is no REAL punishment for them. All we hear is the elderly, the weak and the vulnerable being gunned down, or slaughtered in their own homes, or attacked in the streets. Police are hampered by paperwork taking days when each arrest is made, so they choose to turn a blind eye.

He promised to curb Immigration. Now the whole of Eastern Europe is arriving and swamping our dead health service, taking our handouts, living in houses free of rent when native Brits cannot find a house to live in. The streets are crowded with people who now have to live on them.

He promised to be tough on terrorism. That got us bombed in London in 2005 costing many lives and many disablements. He has done nothing to prevent terrorism and by joining forces with Bush, merely aggravated the situation.

This country did not want war with Iraq. But as is always the case, the people don't get a Referendum - they have to accept the choices made for them. Iraq is in a sorry state, it is a no win situation for everyone, and should never have been undertaken. Too many lives have been lost, Americans, Brits, Australians and so on.

The new French President will not change any policies over Iraq. We were in France when the elections were taking place this year and he was adament about this. France and Britian have a good working relationship, neither is foolhardy enough to be envious of the other, indeed, a great many Brits are immigrating to France to avoid becoming old in this country. We are being welcomed there, and we have much in common.

Blair's deputy PM was a laughing stock, John Prescott. He could hardly speak English, he used to thump people to make his point and he was caught recently having an affair with his secretary. He is a taker, not a politician, and only in his job for the money, prestige and power and the 5 houses it gave him, BIG houses, where he lived the life of an aristocrat - those whom he professes to despise.


We are supposed to be a wealthy country, yet now we are being threatened with fortnightly rubbish collections 'to save the planet':beat: It will not save us from the Plague or some similar disease when the rats come back to the stinking piles of bags.

We are incapable of tracking down criminals in our underworld, or terrorists. If we do catch one, he is immediately released because someone somewhere apparently violated his 'human rights':headbang:

Blair has consistently taken freebie holidays at the taxpayers expense, telling us all to mind our 'carbon footprints' whilst flying to Barbados.

Blair has consistently said one thing and done the other. He has surrounded himself with 'spin doctors' to 'spin' us all lies to cover up what he is really doing.

Never in UK history has a Government been so corrupt and self seeking.

I could go on, and on and on! This country has become the pits. :thumbdown: crime at an all time high, hospitals killing the people they are supposed to heal, ineffective police, dumbed down education, wide open to any terrorist or low life who wants to get in, and an increasing and horrific disregard of the elderly, the REAL poor and the disabled.

It is no longer the country I was born and raised in and once loved.

And Yes, I am leaving it next year.

As for Bush and Blair and their relationship, I think you will find history will show 2 things. 1) It will go down as a devil's pact, and 2) the great majority of people woudl glady line the two of them up against a firing squad executed for war crimes.

And I ask you, when has the UK and America NOT had a good relationship, albiet slightly rocky from time to time, but one that always had a mutual respect and admiration? Since your Independence and the years after when it all settled down, we have remained allies, fought together in many wars, backed each other up, and held each other in high regard?

When Blair and Bush go, nothing will change between us. The criteria we should focus on is continuing the respect and mutual support of our two countrys and making sure our leaders are worthy of their titles.

Ann

Ann, I agree our two great societies are in a downward spiral. Freedom without discipline leaves only anarchy. What would you do..?

I'm a merely a simple human being - I have no idea Socalgolfguy.:dunno:

I could tell you we are in desperate need of Leaders with true integrity - more Churchills, Abe Lincoln's, than Bush and Blair, but although the modern world has give (me) us many comforts and so called advancements, I think we may have chucked the baby out with the bathwater. (Can I add Thatcher and Kennedy here? We all know they were flawed but, I believe they respected the people they governed)?

In our technological rush forward, we have lost something precious, and to me this is a code of moral standards, not just for us but for those who lead our countries.

It is all a grab and rush for money, the Great Pound and the Almighty Dollar - nothing else seems to matter, look at the obsence amounts of money the drug companies make. They do good work, 2/3rds of us wouldn't be here without them, and their research, BUT, in their haste for profit they have made drugs far too expensive - we, the people are the ones who land up paying for them - or dying.

I won't get boring by going on and on, I know you get the point!

Whether anyone belongs to a Church or has a Faith and worships their version of God is a personal matter - I am not on these forums to preach - however I see a decline in standards of behaviour and thought, plus TV, films and media generally, a downhill slide: what used to serve as trash TV is now the norm. (Big Brother anyone):no:

Like it or not, religion/faith has morals codes (can we not get into fundamentalist Islam here please)? :thumbup: which reach out and embrace the young, the children whose minds are still ripe for a sort of indoctrination if you like - I had one and it did me no harm - mine was Christian, and, after years of searching for other answers, I come back to where I started, but, that is off topic - remember the phrase:

'Give me a child until he is 7 and I will give you back the man'

Teach a child respect and love for mankind, God the earth and animals, from birth - and that child will be 'programmed' if you like to think of it that way, into a set of moral concepts. It has worked since the beginning of time, and now it has been dropped in favour of so called free will.

Surely what we all have to understand and come to terms with is that there IS no Free Will, as we are all - more than ever now the world has shrunk - a global collective, a tad Borg-like, but without having our essential individuality wiped out:bangin:

What harm we do to one reflects and resounds with the next person and so on. We CANNOT go to war without HUGE shockwaves throughout the world. If we do declare war then it must be for a very good reason, and, apart from two sad old excuses, WMD's which were not found, and removing a Dictator -(what about removing Mugabe- and that Korean monster rather than Saddam), so now everyone knows it was greed for the oil and panic because we are running out and we need to confirm our future supplies.:frown:

Half of me comes from across the Pond, Canada, so my DNA rests firmly on North America soil - and I visit the States often, due there in 2 weeks in fact, in New England. So I don't speak just as a Brit. I desperately want the world to look UP to America, to turn to the States for help and leadership when needed, to respect the country and its people.


Sadly the world has chosen, despite 9/11's awful suffering to gradually become to more and more despise and alienate themselves from America.

America had two choices IMO. The first was to be a Truly Benevolent Superpower - the kind that will endure longer than the Roman Empire and go down in history as a force for good. And then the other, which is as most people see Her today - losing Her way.

Loving America and its people as I do, how much do you think this saddens me to hear the views of my fellow Brits:no:

So there's my answer, long winded as it is, FIND GOOD LEADERS - ethical and moral and trustworthy, and EMPOWER them.

But as it looks like you are going to vote Hilary C. in - I feel there may be no hope:dunno:

Ann

paolo maldini is a legend :thumbup:

Getting back to Ann -
The moral decay in the western world is alarming. Children learn disrespect for their parents, each other, the police, their teachers, all the accepted institutions that made us great. Like I stated, freedom without discipline leaves only anarchy. This is what fuels the fundamentalists fire worldwide. They only have to point to the excesses we display and the pop idols we publicize to further their quest.