If Jesus was God ...

I have no intention to make a decent sensible dialogue with a person who has neither the time nor patientce to defend his calimed assumptions.

Have a nice day.

Tell ya what, why then don't you explain to me why belief that someone can know "absolute truth" is not an assumption!

I have answered your same question before (in this thread) and I can summarize it:

Because Allah had presented to you through His final Prophet (peace be upon him) proofs and evidences. By the proof the Truth is known.

"We (Allah) will show you (mankind) Our signs/patterns in the horizons/universe and in yourselves until you are convinced that the revelation (Quran) is the truth." [Quran, 14:53]

The perfect compatibility MIRACLES OF Quran (which was revealed 14 centuries ago) with modern Science prove that this Book could not be authored by man, rather a greater source had to have been the author of this Book.

Another challenge to mankind:

"Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support." (Quran 17:88)

The enemies of Islam need only to produce a sura (of just 15 words) like the Quran, to prove that it is not from ALLAH (GOD). Why no one till now (since 1400 years) could do it!?


Another challenge to the disbelivers:

"Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah (God), they would surely have found therein many a contradiction." [Quran 4:82]

Even if Allah did exist and he did provide "proofs and evidence" for his truth, which is a pretty big leap of faith right there and is thus debatable, but proof does not = absolute truth. Equally important is that even if man was given this evidence by god himself he still would not understand it inerrantly and in all of it's completeness since it must be comprehended by weaker fallible minds which must then interpret the information under emotional pressures, prejudices and personal biases.

Ok let me get this right. The Quran says that if anyone writes a book like the Quran then it is not from Allah. So how does that prove it is true/ correct

It sounds like: 'Because I said so, alright?'

Sorry, but Your understanding is completely WRONG.

Allah challenges all mankind (and jinn) that they could NOT and will never could write even a small chapter (of even 10-15 words) like the Quran.

If you can produce only ONE small chapter (of even 10 words) like the chapters of Quran, then you'd prove that the Quran is Not from Allah (God, the Creator).

Okay.. It seems that You are not seeking the truth but you just enjoy an argument for the sake of arguing and playing with words. Sorry, but I am a scientist and I don't like wasting my time just to argue without intellectual criterion to follow.

Sorry, but Your understanding is completely WRONG.

Allah challenges all mankind (and jinn) that they could NOT and will never could write even a small chapter (of even 10-15 words) like the Quran.

If you can produce only ONE small chapter (of even 10 words) like the chapters of Quran, then you'd prove that the Quran is Not from Allah (God, the Creator).

If you can produce only ONE small chapter (of even 10 words) like the chapters of Quran, then you'd prove that the Quran is Not from Allah (God, the Creator).

Of course i'm not. I'm on this website for debate and intellectual arguments, are you not here for the same reason?

I've stated my case very clearly, if you do not have a rebuttal then i will consider this argument over.

Not sure we need Capitals here to make a point!

Allah may well challange all makind, what we need to establish is what is correct and what is not. One book says that this is the way it should be and no other book is able to produce one chapter like it, for if it does it comes from Allah.

Where is our 'Yard Stick' by which we measure what is said in one book as opposed to what is said in another? Where is the defining literature that states one is true and one is not. In science a theory, problem, equation etc, is backed up with external evidence that supports, through testing, retesting, analasys and deduction across a broad spectrum of tests what is right/ correct, wrong / fallable.

How can one book achieve this with no other back up, cooberation?

Define 'like'.

The Quran makes the clear challange, that if you are in doubt about it - then bring a book like it. Also, to bring ten chapters like it and then finally, to bring one single chapter like it (the smallest chapter is about 10 words). 1,400 years - and no one has been able to duplicate it's ultimate beauty, consistency, recitation, miracles, freedom from any single contradiction or error, and ease of memorization.

I just presented to you the kinds of 'proofs' that can be used to examine any claim about the only TRUTH. I got a book I claim to be from the CREATOR and I got proofs.

But you said proofs cannot be used to support any claim about the 'only TRUTH'.


So, how can I continue with a person who got no methodology/criterion to follow in supporting his claims & assumptions !!????

When the claims of truth become many, we as Muslims were ordered by Allah to seek the Truth by the proof, by the proof the Truth is known, because always there is only One Truth Which is the real truth.

I got scientific proofs that the book I follow is from the CREATOR. Do you got scientific proofs to prove me wrong !!? or is it just prejudgment opinions!

I'm not sure you follow what I'm saying...

Basically I'm saying that nobody can know 'absolute truth' because our minds are fallible.


also remember that quotes from the Qu'ran are only "proof" to people who have prejudged it to be true, so to an atheist or to a Christian they mean absolutely nothing.

Nope, the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claims.

Away you go,..show me emperical proof of the creator, backed up by cooberated scientific proof.

I have posted many scientific proofs in the other thread in this forum http://www.conflictingviews.com/t998/