Fundalmentalism and Dogma

You're quite ill...God gave us 'free will'...he didn't force you to do anything...the voices talking to you in your head, aren't the voice of God...you're delusional, and need to seek help.

Now if you recall the story of Jona, he had free will to. Yet God told Jona to go to niava and preach to people he hated. Jona refused to go and ended up in a large fish. He got out 3 days later and went to Niava. Now you go tell Jona he was delusional.
See in my situation I promised God 30 years ago if he ever let me see that woman again I would tell her I was sorry for the letter I wrote her. I said that while I was just leaving for work. I thought that was a safe prayer, and the reality was I never thought I would see her again. The problem was, when I got back from work, and I got back to the exact same place where I said the prayer, I discovered that her car was parked right in front of me. I felt like I had the wind knocked out of me, and I could not believe it. And as it turned out, we were neighbors. God really played the old shell game with me that time. There's more to the story, but I don't want to bore you with details.

Adam Bing;42598 wrote:

Mr.Campbell, so are you saying that Deutoronomy is no longer relevant? Because you say you'd kill me if we lived back in the time of Deutoronomy.

I take it then, that you won't kill me now because you feel that Deutoronomy is not relevant in today's world.

You and I Sir, are in perfect agreement then. We have had a meeting of the minds on the fact that the Bible is not relevant in today's world.

But do feel free to retract what you said and we can continue the discussion.

Many of the stories given in the Old Testament were given to show that trying to serve God by the law alone was impossible. These stories were given to us for examples, and they show us the weakness of a life based only on a law. Now today Christians donot put their hope of eternal salvation on the Law, but rather on the finished work of Jesus Christ. And because some of the stories of the Old Testament now are but examples, this in no way makes the entire Old Testament not relevant. The Bible tells us all Scripture is to be used for instruction. The Old Testament is still necessary especially when one considers the prophecies that still remain, and are in the process of being fulfilled. Of course to say that the Bible is not relevant in todays world would require one to be totally ignorant of those prophecies. You must also remember, the Old Testament is the Old Covenant, and the New testament is the New Covenant which Christians now follow.

Noted. I understand your position vis-a-vis the Old Testament better now.

It just knocks me out how people turn their own foibles and misadventures into lessons from God, no less. Your incident was one of coincidence, not of God....people pray for the most stupid things...thanks for not boring with the details.

Well as the old saying goes, the devil is in the details. However, you have already made up your mind so why bore you with details. Or why bore you with facts when your personal opinion is all you need.

What do they say....."you're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts".
And it's called conviction(s).....I thought we weren't supposed to get in the way of someone's "faith". Where do you or anyone else, for that matter, get off, telling someone what to believe....you have never answered that question.
Is it arrogance? Divine right? Or voices in your head?

I thought we weren't suppose to get in the way of someone's "faith". Where do you or anyone else, for that matter, get off, telling someone what to believe?

I get off when the Lord of the Universe Jesus Christ commands us to go into the world and preach the Gospel to everyone. Now that is a command from the God you supposly believe in. And if you have a problem with that, I would suggest you take it up with Him. I'm just trying to do what He has already stated. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO?
And unless you are not trying to point others to the salvation that can only be found in Christ, well, maybe then that is why Jesus made the statement. "The fields are white unto harvest, where are the reapers?"

Aaron, I have you on 'ignore', and STILL totally disagree with you.

Excuse me, but is that what you're doing? I thought you were spreading lies, hate, vengeance, intolerance and condemnation.....all the things that are not of Jesus Christ.

Jesus' Commands

Jesus directed his disciples, ?Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world (age)??Matthew 28. This is the Great Commission. Yet, we must observe this proviso: ?Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine??Matthew 7:6; for, not all will not readilly believe, and we should not persist against who have a resistive wall against the message we give (The Good News) that Jesus Christ is Lord and he came to save sinners by dying for them, his substitution for the punishment they would normally serve.


Did you get that part from Matthew 7: 6.....which literally translates..."don't beat people over the head trying to get them to absorb "the message"....which is precisely, what you are doing.
Most Christians, on this board, I do believe subscribe to the fact that "Jesus Christ is Lord and he came to save sinners by dying for them, his substitution for the punishment they would normally serve"...in essence, salvation through belief. How then are you appointed judge and jury, and go about telling people how they are , what they are or not doing...???
You are no disciple...who said that you were? "YOU"? You sin every day, just like the rest of us...that makes you no better than anyone else, and hardly in a position to tell anyone about themselves. You holier-than-thou, self-righteous charlatan.
I have just about enough of you and your endless, ceaseless proselytizing.
You are being abusive. No one cares about what you believe. What you believe is all wrong. You are misguided and delusional. You should seek help.
I've given that advice to you, on more than one occasion. And you fail to act upon it...if you fail to acknowledge your own shortcomings, how then do you expect anyone to take you serious, when you chastise others for theirs????"??"????? Clowns have more mettle than you, sir.
Come down from the clouds and realize that you are a messed up human, just like the rest of us, and on your own path to knowledge and hopefully salvation.
But to compare yourself to the 12 Apostles, is reaching a bit too far.
You are far from them.

Im sorry what lie have I told? And I have expressed a Biblical belief, and that you say is beating someone over the head? The truth of the matter is, your problem is not with me. It's with the message of the BIBLE.

You say I'm intolerent?

Hears what Paul has to say, do you agree with the apostle Paul?

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the king-dom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

So is Paul intolerent? He's telling us all these people are going to hell.

Its because the stakes are so high, that Jesus tells his disciples to make disciples of all nations. We are to reach out to those who do not know the Lord and warn them that there lifestyle will keep them from God and there is a better way. Now you call that intolerent, but the Bible tells us unless these people give their life to Christ and change, they are going to hell. I'm sorry that makes you mad, but like I said, it is the Bible that proclaims this. I'm just one of the messengers. We all should be disciples for Christ.

I have to agree with Mr.Campbell. The issue is not with him. It is indeed with the bible.

The Bible is the source of the evangelism that we non-monotheists see as a clear and present danger to other cultures, peoples, and now given this hankering for armeggadon, to the world it self. The culprit is the bible. The followers only do as the bible commands.

There is no reason anymore to tread softly when it comes to these revelations be they in the Bible or the Koran. Enough misery has been caused by them and the directions they give their followers. The good they contain can be found elsewhere. The evil they contain is unique to the monthesim they espouse.

Mr.Campbell is only doing as instructed. His instructer needs to be taken to task.

Im sorry what lie have I told? And I have expressed a Biblical belief, and that you say is beating someone over the head? The truth of the matter is, your problem is not with me. It's with the message of the BIBLE.

You say I'm intolerent?

Hears what Paul has to say, do you agree with the apostle Paul?

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the king-dom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

So is Paul intolerent? He's telling us all these people are going to hell.

Its because the stakes are so high, that Jesus tells his disciples to make disciples of all nations. We are to reach out to those who do not know the Lord and warn them that there lifestyle will keep them from God and there is a better way. Now you call that intolerent, but the Bible tells us unless these people give their life to Christ and change, they are going to hell. I'm sorry that makes you mad, but like I said, it is the Bible that proclaims this. I'm just one of the messengers. We all should be disciples for Christ.

Who are you to interpret what the Bible says?
Who are you to self-proclaim yourself a disciple?
No matter how much you call yourself a Christian....you are far from it...one can tell by the fruit you bear...one of hate and intolerance and madness.

Mr. Campbell's Instructer has only told the truth of what man will do if left to their own desires. Would you take God to task for telling you the truth which you have ignored.

If there was a god as crazed, megelomaniacic, overbearing, murdurous, jealous, paranoid, brutish and as bigoted as depicted in the monotheist literature I would take him to task and be ashamed to be in the same room, planet, universe with such a being.

If there was a god as crazed, megelomaniacic, overbearing, murdurous, jealous, paranoid, brutish and as bigoted as depicted in the monotheist literature I would take him to task and be ashamed to be in the same room, planet, universe with such a being.

Here here, you only have to read the first 50 pages of the bible to understand this. And if you are saying that once Jesus walked the earth, preached the word of the lord to the people of the time and thus, the New Testament is the true teachings of God.

Then if they are the same entity as you say they are, when did he have his epiphany and actually decide that drowning women and children was not a good idea and that because some poor lady looked over her shoulder she had to be turned to dust?

Plus I seem to remember a couple of angels turned up to tell Lot to leave soddom, when a group of men came and demanded he hand them over so they could 'soddomise' them. But No! the gallant Lot refused the baying group entry, you can see why God spared this noble gentleman. Instead he offered his two daughters, and I quote:'I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof'

Bearing in mind God has chosen to spare Lot as he is virtuous and God fearing it says alot about what the Big guy in the Sky thinks of women.

Of course that is because you have accepted this worlds standard for morals. The fact is if Aids had come early without any knowledge of how to combat it 2,000 years ago, one could only imagine what would of happened. Of course I'm sure there would of been someone like you to blame God for that. Yes, the God that has created you and gave you this earth to live on, and warned you of the dangers to watch for you would take to task because He told you the truth. I guess you need a God that is a liar. And that is why we have the Devil, it is the Devil who will lie to you, and this world loves his lies. The evil of this would tells us, forget about the warnings of the Bible, and this world has. Now that millions have died because we have ignored those warnings, now you say you would be ashamed of this God who warned you ahead of time of the evil to come. Your ashamed of God because He told you the truth?