Fundalmentalism and Dogma

You scare the living **** out of me with ur medieval views. On the one hand you openly Condem the Muslim world to the wrath of your god, with all sorts of reasons why they will be killed and should be killed. In the next you say that Abortion is tandamount to murder. so which is it? Life or Death?

Do you subscribe to Love or Hatred, do you want peace or war. Or are we all the children of God as the bible clearly states?

The Questions are randon and make no sense maybe, but does the bible?

Could you point me in the right direction for the evidence which shows the parting of the sees,also the proof they were Egyption and could you tell me what demons they were, and how come they told you their names. I find it interesting and would like to reasearch it.

Well I am encouraged by this thread. I see a lot of thinking people who are asking the right questions here.

I have asked many of my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ the following questions . ( Full disclaimer I am a Christian)

Why when Christ said we are to pray for our enemies, turn the other cheek and not seek revenge;do you cheer on wars?

Why when Christ taught that we are to feed the hungry help the sick and visit the imprisoned .Why do you fight against health care for all? Why do you condemn the poor as lazy and not deserving of help? And why do you cheer while so many loose their lives to prison?

I have asked this question and never gotten a answer from the so called Christians who claim the war on the Muslims is God's plan.

But in a way maybe it us. I can tell you this though. Christians came from Jacob and Muslims from Esau. God does not intend in the end to loose any of them . God will bring the decendents of Esau and Jacob back together in the end.What these people do not understand is that they are fighting against their own brothers and sisters in these crazy wars. God will judge those who cheer these wars on harshly in the end.

First you have to ask yourself, who was Christ speaking to when He told them to pray for their enemies, and turn the other cheek, ect. What was Christ really trying to tell them? Was Christ trying to tell them they could earn salvation by doing good works? Was that the message of the Gospel?

Christ was speaking to the enemies of Christians . He was telling all Christians that we should pray for our enemies. Whomever and where ever we find enemies.

I believe campbell in pre destination I do not believe we earn anything. We are given what we receive.

Campbell

Now I get it I think. Those of you who choose not to follow the teachings of christ absolve yourselves from doing so because you are not of Jewish decent? or at least you seem to be saying that. I don't imagine that most people are smart enough to come up with that excuse but now that you mention it I bet a lot do .

I never knew this. Wow that is a mindset that never even occurred to me.


What about Paul saying that there is no longer Jew or Gentile all are one in christ?

What about Christs last command that if we love him we should keep his commands ? Was he speaking only to the Jews here too?

Would you care to outline briefly in the teachings of Christ just what then do you follow ? I ask what teachings of Christ you do follow ,because that will undoubtedly be a short list. He walked and taught mostly to the Jews here on earth , you would have to fill volumes about what you feel he taught that was not meant for you a gentile believer. But it should be a short list then of what teachings of the Lord you do think were meant for you.

I believe most Christians who are Christian really want to follow all the teachings of Christ, yet if the Sermon on the Mount really was a list of things for Christians to do, then most of us male Christians should be walking around with only one eye right now.

We are all one in Christ, but the Sermon was directed at Jews back then because they were the keepers of the law and present, yet it applies to every generation that believes salvation can be earned by works alone. And Christ so expanded on the law, that the Jews of that time knew, that no one could be that good. Even we know today, that the best of us could not fulfill all these commands.

As Christians we follow the ten commandments. And as Christians we try to tell others about the salvation that can only be found in Christ. We desire to be that light on the hill, pointing the way to Jesus. We are partners in the Great commission, and believe we are to go to the world telling all who will listen, that Jesus Christ is both Lord and Saviour. And we consider this duty a privilege. We donot try to be good to earn favor, we try to live Godly lives to show our love for Him.

It is plain and simply a moral decline in society. Fully disclosing that I am a Christian . I respect people of all other faiths. What it boils down to is that people do not really live the religious tenants of their faith . They say they are Christians but then cheerlead for wars.

They say they are against abortions but then would not lift a finger or give a dime to save someones life who was dying of diabetes and can not afford care.

They say they love children , but they stand idly by as the education system falls to ruin.

I imagine this problem can be found in all religions around the world right now . People giving lip service only to their faith. And these same people would kill you for your last can of beans if the world fell apart and they feared for their own skin.

Plucking out a eye was for the most part a parable. Although if you can not get the eyes in control I agree with scripture perhaps you would be better off blind. Christ said many make themselves Eunuchs for the glory of the kingdom of God and I believe many who have sexual tendencies that are spoken of in the bible as being Hated by God do live the life of a Eunuch so as not to offend and sin . But they do not literally de ball themselves as we are not to literally pluck out our eyes.

Through the Holy Spirit I can hear the gears of your mind grinding campbell . You know this. We are to follow the teachings of Christ and they are not just supernaturally for the jews as there is no more Jews or gentiles for all are part of one body in Christ.

If your eye offend thee pluck it out. This means if you lust because of what your eyes see, do not expose them to that sight. This means if envy comes in through your eyes remove yourself from what causes you envy. This means if you hate because of what your eyes see , pray for that hate that God through his Holy Spirit take it away from you. This does not mean to literally disfigure yourself and remove your eyes. Most church leaders down through the centuries agree on this teaching. But how quickly they will use it as you have, to say that a Christian cannot literally follow the teachings of christ . [SIZE="4"]That is not true.[/SIZE] [SIZE="4"] Christ came and died for us to leave us teachings that we can follow and he will call us to account for why or why not we have obeyed his commands.[/SIZE] I know many christians who literally do the best they can to follow the teachings of Christ.

Many church denominations try their best to follow the teachings of Christ.. The Restored Church of God , The Amish , The Mennonites. The Jehovahs Witness ( I know you hate them, but never the less) Anabaptists and a host of small denominations that teach and follow the teachings of Christ. So I have witnessed with my own eyes(literally) many good christians in all the afore mentioned denominations follow Christ and his teachings.

Let those gears grind campbell and pray that you be shown the way to follow Christ and to model him to a world that is sorely gone astray.

When Jesus spoke in parables, Scripture makes this obvious. When Jesus speaks in a parable the Scripture will read "he spake this parable unto them, saying" Yet this is not the case here.
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I said this was the case in this scripture you speak of where Jesus says to pluck out your eye if it offends you. I believe it is a parable. And I do not believe , in fact I know that we are not told in scripture every time there is a parable.

But let me ask you then since you say when Jesus was about to speak in parables we are always told it is a parable in scripture.
In John 14:28 Jesus says Ye have heard how I say unto you, I go away, and come again unto you, if you loved me you would rejoice because I said, I go unto the Father and my Father is greater than I. No where in this chapter are we told that these words of Jesus are a parable. So do you agree that Jesus meant just what he said in this scripture campbell? That his Father was greater than he?

Boy campbell you got in a lot of topics with this one post. So I think we need to take them one at a time.

Campbell34;39940 wrote:

When Jesus spoke in parables, Scripture makes this obvious. When Jesus speaks in a parable the Scripture will read "he spake this parable unto them, saying" Yet this is not the case here.
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I said this was the case in this scripture you speak of where Jesus says to pluck out your eye if it offends you. I believe it is a parable. And I do not believe , in fact I know that we are not told in scripture every time there is a parable.

But let me ask you then since you say when Jesus was about to speak in parables we are always told it is a parable in scripture.
In John 14:28 Jesus says Ye have heard how I say unto you, I go away, and come again unto you, if you loved me you would rejoice because I said, I go unto the Father and my Father is greater than I. No where in this chapter are we told that these words of Jesus are a parable. So do you agree that Jesus meant just what he said in this scripture campbell? That his Father was greater than he?

Since my belief is based on Scripture, I have no problem agreeing with Jesus statement that His Father is greater than Him. Yet I also understand that God exist as 3 persons who = one God. Just as the atom has three elements with different funtions, those three elements still = one atom. I can agree with every statement of Scripture, because my belief system is based formost on Scripture. However I understand that your belief system does not allow you to confirm Jehovahs own words, especially when He said He made the earth ALONE and BY HIMSELF. And you cannot confirm His statement, because you have a misconception of the makeup of God.

You are completely wrong Campbell all I care about is that the Words of Christ are known in their true form and substance.

Good you know that Jesus said he is subservient to God the Father. That is a first start in understanding the scriptures.

Praise God!

CLAPPINGGGGGGG!!!! Great post wvpeach, what a heart felt and honest view, you are right again.

Hypocrits they are! the pot calling the kettle black, on Suday at church all do gooders want to be patted on the back and recognized for one small deed done. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, just saying you want to help and not actually helping gets you a nice seat on the bus to a firey(spell) afterlife.
:headbang:for you

Hi Numpty,
I am a 71 year old man whith a severe congenital speech impediment, learning disabilities, and A.D.H.D. I was also raised in a fundalmentalist church, Church of Christ to be exact. Campell is the crazist religious nut I have yet to run into. His account of his exorcism is really way out. Cambell is a dangerous man because he is intelligent and "educated". He even knows that atoms have three components and he gave the best explaintion of the trinty that I have ever heard or read. He is part of a movement that fails to recognize that ignorance, poverty, and disease are the enemy of the human race and not "Harvardism" "Yaleism" and "Princetonism". How foolish. In the event that you would like to order my book, "I Thought That I Would Never Make 4th Grade" it is available from all major internet outlets. You might also like to visit my website at Learning,Speech,&Attention Defects | Man with learning disabilities, communication disorders, ADHD, becomes author. I would be glad to hear from you
Best of wishes,
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