War On Terrorism Is A Spiritual One

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Final victory against Islamic terroroism will take a combination of things. While the military has a definate role against Islamic terrorists, the ultimate war against this type of threat is a spiritual one. The people of the Islamic countries are the most isolated in the world, except perhaps those in China or N. Korea. Well then, if you would agree with this, how do we break through this information blockade from the rest of the world? "Actions speak louder than words," is an old and wise saying and most definatly this will break through a great deal of the way. Other tools that we have not had in the recent past, is the internet and computers in many, many places which ar all interconnected. The U.S.A and the Western World are known in terrorists circles, as the Great Satan. We in non-Islamic dominated societies really do need to take a long long look at ourselves and our social trends. I am talking about things like, but exclusive to, sex becoming a sport, corporate greed, light judicial rulings for the rich and famous, and homosexual marriage.

There is a Dead Sea Scroll(discovered near the Dead Sea in 1947), called the Damascus Document(Rule) which mentions these very social ills, riches, fornication, and profanation of the temple. The original author of about 100 B.C. interpreted several Bible verses in this particular scroll. One of those verses is Micah 2; 11. In my modern Catholic Bible(I do not believe in every Catholic practice), Micah 2; 11 reads, "if one acting on impulse should make the futile claim: "I pour you wine and strong drink as my prophecy," then he would be the prophet of this people." (KEEP IN MIND THAT PROPHETS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE ARE NOT NECESSARILY PROPHETS FROM GOD)Concerning this verse the scroll author wrote, ....a follower of the wind, one who raised storms and rained down lies, had preached to them(Mic. 2; 11), against all those whose assembly the anger of God was kindled." At the original American Woodstock music festival of 1969, Joe Cocker sang, Lets Go Get Stoned, and then, With A Little Help From My Friends. Just seconds after Joe was finished singing it began to rain. A witness recalled that there was no rain for-casted for that day. These two songs give both a negative message and a positive message and therefore constitute a following of the wind. Micheal Lang, one of the organizers of Woodstock, recalls(in Joel Makowers 1989 book) that Joe and his band played for an extra 45 minutes to stall for the next presentation. If this is indeed the case, extra songs may well have been chosen quickly, like by impulse. Joe should not be considered the anti-Christ or anything like that, but just another lost sheep. A lost sheep with a microphone and LOTS of listeners. The words, their wine is their ways, are stated in the scroll. The other wine is the thinking that we as individuals and thereby the world can not change OUR sinful and selfish ways.

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Woodstock the Oral History, by Joel Makower

Dead Sea Scrolls in English, by Geza Vermes

The New American Catholic Translation Bible

my website: Woodstock and Dead Sea Scroll Connections

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@Dan67,

This war is a clash of ideologies, the question is can an ideology be phisically fought against? I don't believe so, I believe that ideologies are changed through time and example, but do we have the time? Do we even have the example? Military action can buy us the time, but it does not make of you a good example, that has to come from people not diretly involved in the conflict. Those people might have existed in the begining, but there are none now. We need to end the social problems of our repective countries before we can do so to the world, but to do that we must fight also corruption, greed, along with many other obstacles to progress. You see the problem does not consist of Islam, we are all tainted in one manner or the other, we must make peace in our own home to bring peace outside of it. Isolation then reunification, if it were possible would probably solve many problems through out the world. We have come to an age and time, that ideas may be expressed to any place in the world, that is the way to change ideologies, conversation, friendship, and sometimes to agree to disagree. There is nothing wrong with difference, it is inevitable, and what you can't fight against must be embraced.

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@markx15,

markx15;10298 wrote:

This war is a clash of ideologies, the question is can an ideology be phisically fought against? I don't believe so, I believe that ideologies are changed through time and example, but do we have the time? Do we even have the example? Military action can buy us the time, but it does not make of you a good example, that has to come from people not diretly involved in the conflict. Those people might have existed in the begining, but there are none now. We need to end the social problems of our repective countries before we can do so to the world, but to do that we must fight also corruption, greed, along with many other obstacles to progress. You see the problem does not consist of Islam, we are all tainted in one manner or the other, we must make peace in our own home to bring peace outside of it. Isolation then reunification, if it were possible would probably solve many problems through out the world. We have come to an age and time, that ideas may be expressed to any place in the world, that is the way to change ideologies, conversation, friendship, and sometimes to agree to disagree. There is nothing wrong with difference, it is inevitable, and what you can't fight against must be embraced.

Have you actually read any of my website? Here is part of the Damascus Document; Hear now, all you who know righteousness, and consider the works of God; for He has a dispute with all flesh and will condemn all those who despise Him. You are right, the problem is really much bigger that the violent strain of Islam. Man has had to contend with differences in language and difficulties of interpretation. But at the heart of things, doesn't every people of earth have the same God?

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@markx15,

markx15;10298 wrote:

This war is a clash of ideologies, the question is can an ideology be phisically fought against? I don't believe so, I believe that ideologies are changed through time and example, but do we have the time? Do we even have the example? Military action can buy us the time, but it does not make of you a good example, that has to come from people not diretly involved in the conflict. Those people might have existed in the begining, but there are none now. We need to end the social problems of our repective countries before we can do so to the world, but to do that we must fight also corruption, greed, along with many other obstacles to progress. You see the problem does not consist of Islam, we are all tainted in one manner or the other, we must make peace in our own home to bring peace outside of it. Isolation then reunification, if it were possible would probably solve many problems through out the world. We have come to an age and time, that ideas may be expressed to any place in the world, that is the way to change ideologies, conversation, friendship, and sometimes to agree to disagree. There is nothing wrong with difference, it is inevitable, and what you can't fight against must be embraced.

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@Dan67,

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But at the heart of things, doesn't every people of earth have the same God?

Not really, but the righteous ones pursue the same ideals. I believe that at heart they are they same, but that is not necessarally their opinion. I know many people who believe their God to be diferent than mine.

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@Dan67,

Dan67;10310 wrote:

But at the heart of things, doesn't every people of earth have the same God?

If by "the same God" you man "no God," then yes, we all have the same one.

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@Dan67,

"Religion is the opium of the Masses"
The war on terrorism is a symptom of a larger problem. That problem is religion. In order to achieve peace on earth, religion needs to be removed from all institutions that have anything to do with governing societies. Equality can never be achieved amoung different races and creeds when one of those creeds rules the other. The founding fathers of the United States had the wisdom to draw upon history to formulate this conclusion. To them it was a fundamental understanding that religious freedom can only be achieved when there is no religion involved in the governing process.
Societies that are considered "more advanced" have put religion in the proper perspective. Which is worship in private and in your own way. Less advanced societies, ones with a much greater education gap, are ruled by religious institutions. Thus the obvious frictions between these to worlds. This Gap in education allows for a more easily influenced and controled population, easily manipulated in the name of religion. Religion isn't the answer, it's the problem.

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@Dan67,

Well said, Dmizer.

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@Dan67,

Very true, good post.

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@Dmizer,

Dmizer;10351 wrote:

"Religion is the opium of the Masses"
The war on terrorism is a symptom of a larger problem. That problem is religion. In order to achieve peace on earth, religion needs to be removed from all institutions that have anything to do with governing societies. Equality can never be achieved amoung different races and creeds when one of those creeds rules the other. The founding fathers of the United States had the wisdom to draw upon history to formulate this conclusion. To them it was a fundamental understanding that religious freedom can only be achieved when there is no religion involved in the governing process.
Societies that are considered "more advanced" have put religion in the proper perspective. Which is worship in private and in your own way. Less advanced societies, ones with a much greater education gap, are ruled by religious institutions. Thus the obvious frictions between these to worlds. This Gap in education allows for a more easily influenced and controled population, easily manipulated in the name of religion. Religion isn't the answer, it's the problem.

Nobody will ever be completely equal. God and spirituality is an inherent part of who Man is. It can be given different names, but it does not change reality. The reality is Man has a spiritual side, which science is just beginning to understand. Has anyone here actually been to my website? My introductory post is only SOME of what is at my website.

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@Dan67,

I have visited your website and it is well put together , but I find it specious at best . Making connections like you have made is a good exercise in selective referencing , but does not do any true "proving" of the connections . Such an exercise could be done on almost any subject , and has been done many times .

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@Dan67,

good point Cur. I visited you website as well dan, and just visually, you might want to break up all the writing, too much!!! I think that it is a great thing when you believe in something to release it and share. However, l skimmed because l will pick up the actual books and read rather than letting someone interprete for me. God calls us to be children, not prophets.

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@Curmudgeon,

Curmudgeon;10503 wrote:

I have visited your website and it is well put together , but I find it specious at best . Making connections like you have made is a good exercise in selective referencing , but does not do any true "proving" of the connections . Such an exercise could be done on almost any subject , and has been done many times .

How much did you read? In the first five scanned pages, I give a some more connections which hit close to home, literally. I guess that is why I have not written off the connections as random happenings. The connections involving me and my home town do not suggest that I am inherently any better or worse than anyone else. I am simply a messenger.

The whole Damascus Document is a template to the happenings of our times. One truly has to have his head in the sand to deny that.

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@Dan67,

You are attempting to do something good with the world, and I sincerly commend you for that, God bless you on your path. You must remember that you to are one of us, the message you carry is the same we all do, your rapping paper is just diferent, to put this information to good use is a virtous thing just don't let it influence you negatively. You to will be tempted, never forget.

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@markx15,

markx15;10583 wrote:

You are attempting to do something good with the world, and I sincerly commend you for that, God bless you on your path. You must remember that you to are one of us, the message you carry is the same we all do, your rapping paper is just diferent, to put this information to good use is a virtous thing just don't let it influence you negatively. You to will be tempted, never forget.

Did you read the Gnostic Gospel saying from Jesus about knowing yourself? The common person is greater than commonly realized. I am not blessed with movie star looks or musical talent. I was never very popular in grade school or high school. I grew up very much as an outsider looking in, at the rest of society. This is part what caused me to be interested in things different, like the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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@Dan67,

I read everything that was readable . I still contend that it is a well done piece of selective research and commentary that was put together with a desired result in sight , rather than a way of proving any connections .
I could do the same for an opposing view if I wanted to , showing completely different results .
In school ,(many years ago ) , debate class was designed to teach us how to see and use all facets of a dispute to our advantage . True debaters are able to debate from either side equally well . We were often made to take the side we felt was erroneous , just to teach us how to debate . We had to be prepared to debate pro or con effectively .
I approach most discussions in this manner to this day .
I don't post as much as others because I want to know enough about a viewpoint I oppose in order to strengthen my own . You might be well served to learn this yourself .

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@Dan67,

Words of wisdom, Curmy.

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@Dan67,

"Religion is the opium of the Masses" A bit off topic, but so is TV and shopping till you are dropping! They both numbthe brain, or are for numb-brains only Smile

The Gnostic Gospels are likely to be (IMHO) the ONLY true account of Christ - and buried in secrecy and hidden by the Vatican - shrouded with so called mystery which is now becoming revealed.

In the Gospels Jesus laughed often, loved to laugh with his disciples and others, showed every human trait, but with a bit more quality, and told Judas, poor Judas always seen as the devils own, that he (Judas) would be doing God's work in betraying Jesus. So we should in fact be honouring him.

This is seriously off topic, apologies and is there a thread here on the Gnostic Gospels, I would love to learn more and discuss them further.

Ann

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@Dan67,

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take a long long look at ourselves

Best thing I EVER heard...

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