Setanta,
The Phillies had a presence in the strip, no?
Yes, if you mean the Phillie-stines, 'bout 3500 years to 3000 years ago . . .
Setanta, you seem far better versed in Ancient and Classical history than I. Were the Greek "Sea Peoples" the same as the "Hyksos?"
I have considered in my simplistic and uneducated way many times that what we may have is a God who just likes watching war movies.
Everyone at every place in every time in the history of the world has had a turn at being the victor or the vanquished, the conquered or the conqueror, the raped or the rapist. There seems to be a statute of limitations albeit a loose and undefined one on when a group of people who have been burned and pillaged are recent memory tragedies to be clucked over, or ancient history curiosities without real meaning except in an academic way.
The only constant is the war and pillaging and atrocities themselves, which are ALWAYS carried out in the worst way possible given the resources at hand.
This would lead me to believe that if there's a hand of God in this, then he and his opposite number created us as a big board to their eternal war game.
When the ability of man to destroy himself becomes so refined that he can actually eliminate the world and it's population as we know it, then God re boots and start's again. Pretty cool. If you're God.
Hobbitbob: Yes, and that is a truly fascinating period in Egyptian history, at least for anyone who ever worked up sufficient fortitude and curiosity to study it in the first place. There is a definite hiatus in the progression of pharonic (sp?) dynasties at the time that "the sea people," or Hyksos appeared, and much evidence (a good deal of it written), that the Hyksos were largely confined by a militarily competent and sophisticated aristocracy to coastal areas and a short stretch of the lower Nile. Those texts suggest that the collapse of pharonic authority under the pressure of invasion lead to a fragmentation of the Kingdom into petty oligarchic states which survived well beyond the initial period of crisis. This leads to interesting speculations on the the degree of authority of subsequent dynasties. Altogether, this would be a fertile field for the specialist, as little synthesis has been done, although a great deal of material has now been made available. There is also an interesting line of investigation into the possibility that "the sea people" were the survivors of the collapse of the Mycenean civilization, and the reasons for that collapse.
Quote:There is also an interesting line of investigation into the possibility that "the sea people" were the survivors of the collapse of the Mycenean civilization, and the reasons for that collapse.
This is what I learned in my (sole) class on Ancient Greece, and have dutifully passed down to my Wetern Civ students over the years. I thank you for the confirmation that these are the Hyksos.
I had not believed that it was definitely established that the remnants of the Mycenean Greeks were the Hyksos, although i've long believed it. But if you was taught that up at university, it must be true! N'est-ce pas?
Nothing is ever "definately established." Consensus is all.
Reminds me of the ironic remark of a prof in the French Department at U. of Ill. who observed, on leaving a committee meeting, that she didn't know how anyone could expect twelve people to come to a sensible conclusion about anything. I told her that i hoped her fate was never entrusted to a jury, giving her sentiment, and she was not amused.
I'm pretty sure there's a lab somewhere that breeds a sense of humor out of teachers, accountants and restaurant managers, set.
