Society and it's role?

No, libertarians have always believed the same things (except we had to change our name from liberals to conservatives when the socialists took over, and conservatives to libertarians once the religous took over).

I've noticed a trend these days for parents to blame society when their children are in conflict with the law. How is society to blame for a child who has chosen a path that envolves breaking the law. Where did parental responsiblity go, and who decided it's society's responsibilty. What happened to accountablity and responsibility by parents?

I've also noticed that the Socialist's blather on and on that "It takes a village" to raise a child but they never bothered to ask the rest of society whom don't share their idiology if we want yet another burden place on us by the most tolerant or else in society. To recap; it's society's fault if a child breaks the law but not negligent parents because we are suppose to raise the child not the parent. To me this is just another socialist agenda to excuse the weak, lame and lazy for not being capable parents. To state this openly would offend the politically correct so they use blanket statements that blame society thus ensuring no accountablity to parents who are inept and incompetant. The youth are fed this crap and come out of prison feeling like victims because "Society failed" no it didn't the youth failed and so did his/her parents.

Note to socialist, don't include me in your society I wasn't asked if I wanted the responsibility ergo you can have the mea culpa. It's time society stopped getting blamed for bad parents and out of control children and youth who have never been tought accountablity and the word "Consequence".

What say you people on this forum? Society's fault or socialist doctorine of blame the majority as they pander to a minority group.

I don't believe that parents are the deciding factor.

My grandfather grew up with no parents, he's semi-rich, succesful, and incredibly intelligent.

I believe it's the individual.

Well, expect that to change. I'm 16 and not fitting your definition.

I loathe the analogy it takes a village to raise a child, it's cir logic that comes back to placing the responsiblity onto society. It's socialist dogma to excuse lazy parents from responsibility. No one asked me if I wanted the responsibility of being the metophoric village nor was society as a whole asked if they were willing to accept the responsibility of raising said children.

If a child commits a crime it's the child who is responsible, if he/she has weak, lame and lazy parents they assume some of the blame but ultimatley it's the child who must accept mea culpa (accountability). We have allowed the left or liberal mindset to infect common sense, a parent is responsible for their children and the children are responsible for their behaviors. Peers and society have nothing to do with the issue, if a child has been instilled with a value system that teaches responsibility and accountability that child will assume liability for his/her actions. Those who haven't been raised with the ethos of accountability and responsibility will be tomorrows socialist whom blame SOCIETY, peers groups and anyone else to excuse themselves for their actions.

It takes a village to raise a child if the child's parents refuse to accept their responsibility or if the village has socialist or communist tendencies and refuses to allow the parents to do their job and impart the values of the parents in the children.

Crap, and I was trying to be polite in the Celtic Christianity thread. When you read my post, please take out anything that is not completely critical or offensive. Wasn't it rather obvious after I decided to take the side of someone who calls themself a "Pissed Libertarian?" I'm sure that through publishing a book and selling 600 copies you have gained infinite knowledge of the world, oh wise one.

P.S. Any liberal cannot possible have more than a minimal knowledge of the world and society, and how they work, IMO.

Of course you feel that way. You're a "pissed libertarian" remember? The fact is that parents play the most crucial role in their children's development. The first 3 years of their lives impact everything they will do for the rest of their lives. That is when they learn to trust, love and develop a moral foundation, a sense of security and the confidence to grow forward. Their imaginations need to be nourished and explored. They need to be nurtured not ignored. When they are, they thrive and want more. The role of parents in those early years determines what they will become later. Your grandfather sounds like a squared away man. But, he is the exception and not the rule. Any individual without primary guidance is like a rudderless craft in a hurricane.

Speak to him, he'll agree with me.

That's because they (or their parents against whom they rebell) are rich enough to have computers and a land line or radio link to the internet and a teenager. Being a teenager usually means the person is in rebellion against their parents, their teachers, or society. That means they don't want to have constraints becuase they haven't finished exploring or sowing their wild oats. They don't want any constraints. The Libertarian mind set fits with this rebellion.

Did you observe this transformation?

Of course, if there is no responsible guardian or authority figure available...but if your teenager commits a crime, and you don't agree that punishment is in order, then you become the responsible party and pay for your child's action, or the lack of your supervision. I believe in holding minor's parents accountable. IMHO

Really?

He's a rudderless craft in a hurricane?

Apparantly rudderless craft are pretty ideal.

Here's a hint, it's the individual that decides who they become. From the age of twelve forward the individual is able to make decisions on their own.

Yes, parents are responsible for their children.

But regardless, the child is even more responsible, and ultimately they choose who they are.

What? Now you have a Ph.D in Psychology? Some individuals are never able to make their own decisions. Conventional wisdom says that they "should be able to" , but that is not always the case. Sometimes society and circumstances determine who the individual becomes...sometimes people are products of their circumstances.

The individual is responsible for his or her own actions, hence, we have juvenile courts...and some children are even tried as adults. Don't know what you mean by "(they) ultimately chose who they are".