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America: From Freedom to Fascism

 
 
z0z0
 
Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 08:13 pm
I just watched an interesting documentary

America: From Freedom to Fascism
America: From Freedom to Fascism (2006)

It is quite scary if this is true.
The Income Tax is unconstitutional yet the government still pushes it.
The IRS is like a bunch of organized crime thugs

How much do Americans care about this?

The scariest thing is if the US government is willing to set the Constitution aside then what other parts of the Constitution are they willing to set aside? Does the Constitution mean anything anymore? Or is the Constitution just marketing BS these days?

[INDENT]Interesting quote In interview with Congressmen Ron Paul (R-Texas)

Russo: Is there a law that requires people to file a 1040?

Paul: Not explicitly but it is certainly implied

Russo: Implied by force, but is there a law?

Paul: I can't cite a law. No. But you know, ah, if they (government) think it is the law and they have all the guns, you know its an authoritarian approach

Russo: But that's Authoritarianism, that's not a country run by law. Do you think America is going deeper and deeper into a police state and if so how do you see that as a Congressman?

Paul: I think we are moving in that direction because there is not much we can do without permission. The absence of a police state is that people are free and if you don't commit crimes you are free to do what you want. .. Today you have to get permission from the government for virtually everything.[/INDENT]

"The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper."
George W. Bush - November 2005

America: Freedom to Fascism
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 09:32 pm
@z0z0,
Other interesting quotes

After Vietnam, Henry Kissinger said, "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. . ."
(from Chapter 5 in the "Final Days" by Woodward and Bernstein).


The dirty little secret is that both houses of Congress have become increasingly irrelevant. The nation's business will go on, regardless of whether there's a long, drawn-out Senate trial. In case you hadn't noticed, America's domestic policy is now being run by Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve Board. Their decisions about interest rates are determining how many of us have jobs and how many of us get a raise. Congress is out of this loop. Every so often, some senators or House members politely ask Greenspan to visit and talk about the economy. He obliges by riding up to the Hill and muttering convoluted sentences that no two people interpret in quite the same way. Then he goes back down to the Fed and runs the country. America's foreign policy, meanwhile, is now being run by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), with some coaching from the Treasury Department. Their decisions are determining the fate of much of the Third World. The giant bailout they just engineered for Brazil, with lots of strings attached, will decide whether Brazil slips deeper into recession and brings most of the rest of Latin America with it.
(Robert Reich, Jan 7 1999, USA Today
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 09:40 pm
@z0z0,
Think about this one!

We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.

David Rockefeller, private banker and founder of the Trilateral Commission who spoke unashamedly of the necessity of concealing the globalist mission - June, 1991.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 10:58 pm
@z0z0,
We've become so obsessed with individual rights, we've lost sight of the needs of our NATION. The nation comes first. If what our government is doing right now constitutes 'fascism', I say 'bring it on'. Gimme some more of that fascism.
:FU1:
z0z0
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 11:04 pm
@z0z0,
When was the last time that you read your Constitution?

Are you sure that you want to live in an Authoritarian Police State?
I guess you might if you are one of the "police".

I guess you deserve what you will get.

But ask anyone from Communist Russia or Theocratic Iran or China whether they would rather live in an Autocratic police state or in a really free democracy based on the freedom of the individual.

I don't understand why having a strong nation means you can't have individual rights.
Can you explain that one?
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tumbleweed cv
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 05:26 am
@z0z0,
Given the freedom of other countries,I'd just as soon stick with what we have.:cool:
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z0z0
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 11:20 am
@z0z0,
On Corporatism

The World's Mastermind: The Hidden Face of Globalization
A view from Argentina

by Adrian Salbuchi
Global Research, December 2, 2006
El Traductor Radial - Inicio (original Spanish)
The World's Mastermind: The Hidden Face of Globalization (English)

“globalization” which, nevertheless, today still has one main meaning: US-UK-Israeli Imperialism on a planetary and all-encompassing scale. This, at least, is how a growing number of people in Argentina and in our region see things today.

Who are they? What do they want?

The process we have described is in no way anonymous - much less, secret - because the power groups promoting and driving the New World Order are doing so in full public view: i.e., multinational corporations (e.g., the Fortune Global 500s accounting for over 80% of US economic activity); the global financial infrastructure (which includes banks, investment funds, stock exchanges and commodity market operators); multimedia monopolies; major Ivy League universities; international multilateral organizations (such as the World Bank, the IMF/International Monetary Fund, the IADB/Inter-American Development Bank, the BIS/Bank of International Settlements, the UN/United Nations and the WTO/World Trade Organization) and, most important, key government posts in the United States, Israel, the United Kingdom and other industrialized nations. So, we definitely do not have something that can be explained away as a "conspiracy theory".
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 06:54 pm
@z0z0,
created by Bush, whom I trust, will be abused by Rodham Clinton, whom I don't. So, for different reasons, I guess I sort of agree with you folks.:FU1:
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markx15
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jan, 2007 07:31 pm
@z0z0,
The world is clearly falling apart, you cannot simply live your life. We enconter violence and intolerance at every turn, and there are still many ideologies standing in the way of peace and understanding. It shames me to live in a world where money is more important than the people.
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Grahammissionar
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jan, 2007 11:15 pm
@z0z0,
yes America is a fascist state that is for sure
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oleo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2007 05:30 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;8809 wrote:
We've become so obsessed with individual rights, we've lost sight of the needs of our NATION. The nation comes first. If what our government is doing right now constitutes 'fascism', I say 'bring it on'. Gimme some more of that fascism.
:FU1:


a perfect example of the authoritarian follower personality type.

A Nation, country, government is only valid, to me, as long as the benefits
to the individual are peferable to the costs of not participating.

Could the world soon enter a phase of "post-society," in a sense?

Yes. We're exiting the industrial age/industrial society and the system of
government and society we have may be obsolete.

Would it be possible for me to purchase an plot of land, rig it up with solar energy
and rain water collection technology and live "off the grid?" Yes, several have
done it. Then, would I be able to declare my sovereignity? Absolve my nationality
and allegiance to any country and defend myself if necessary? Pay no taxes,
expect no benefits from any government or anyone else and not be bound by
any laws or treaties? Grow marijuana if I wanted to, but not export it to
places that forbid it (just as a radical example, I'm not a pothead)? Decide
my own relations with whoever I chose to?

Theoretically that's possible. Except for a bit of sociological/political Darwinism.
Living entities fight to insure their survival. The system is a living entity.
The government exists because there are problems big enough to necessitate
its existance. Do you then believe it possible that in combating these
problems government will also, as a natural consequence, insure the
continued existance of the problems as well, for when it finally triumphs
it will be out of a job...

Does it make sense that we indebt ourselves to China, make trade deals
which screw us and benefit China, then the Pentagon is currently arguing
that we need to resume the arms race/cold war with China? We are
supplying them with the means to run an arms race, then participating in
one with them. Saudi Arabia supplies most of the higher level terrorist and
Al Qaeda operatives. The Arabian state operates the mosques, and it is there
that young muslims are told they are slaves to the evil west , who live not by
Allah's laws but are unjust and cause them to live in poverty and dispair.
Then, the same government that pays the clerics to draw attention away
from their decadance and corrupt dealings depends upon the U.S. military
tp keep it in power, and be a target of the people it pays someone to
mobilize against it. Does that make sense?

Does it make sense that two U.S. border guards are serving prison sentences
for shooting an illegal alien they encountered smuggling a van full of drugs
into the country who resisted detainment? Of course, it appears he somehow
works for someone somehow connected to "national security," and the government
is taking his side in the matter. Does it make sense that DEA agents in significant
numbers have quit and stated the war on drugs is ultimately a sham, because
every major drug supplier is working for the government supplying information
on other drug suppliers so none of them can be prosecuted?
tumbleweed cv
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2007 05:42 pm
@z0z0,
I'm familiar with the incident you mentioned oleo. What a damn shame the folks guarding our borders have to do so under the present rules of engagment.:wtf:
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2007 06:16 pm
@oleo,
oleo;9148 wrote:
a perfect example of the authoritarian follower personality type.

A Nation, country, government is only valid, to me, as long as the benefits
to the individual are peferable to the costs of not participating.

Could the world soon enter a phase of "post-society," in a sense?

Yes. We're exiting the industrial age/industrial society and the system of
government and society we have may be obsolete.

Would it be possible for me to purchase an plot of land, rig it up with solar energy
and rain water collection technology and live "off the grid?" Yes, several have
done it. Then, would I be able to declare my sovereignity? Absolve my nationality
and allegiance to any country and defend myself if necessary? Pay no taxes,
expect no benefits from any government or anyone else and not be bound by
any laws or treaties? Grow marijuana if I wanted to, but not export it to
places that forbid it (just as a radical example, I'm not a pothead)? Decide
my own relations with whoever I chose to?

Theoretically that's possible. Except for a bit of sociological/political Darwinism.
Living entities fight to insure their survival. The system is a living entity.
The government exists because there are problems big enough to necessitate
its existance. Do you then believe it possible that in combating these
problems government will also, as a natural consequence, insure the
continued existance of the problems as well, for when it finally triumphs
it will be out of a job...

Does it make sense that we indebt ourselves to China, make trade deals
which screw us and benefit China, then the Pentagon is currently arguing
that we need to resume the arms race/cold war with China? We are
supplying them with the means to run an arms race, then participating in
one with them. Saudi Arabia supplies most of the higher level terrorist and
Al Qaeda operatives. The Arabian state operates the mosques, and it is there
that young muslims are told they are slaves to the evil west , who live not by
Allah's laws but are unjust and cause them to live in poverty and dispair.
Then, the same government that pays the clerics to draw attention away
from their decadance and corrupt dealings depends upon the U.S. military
tp keep it in power, and be a target of the people it pays someone to
mobilize against it. Does that make sense?

Does it make sense that two U.S. border guards are serving prison sentences
for shooting an illegal alien they encountered smuggling a van full of drugs
into the country who resisted detainment? Of course, it appears he somehow
works for someone somehow connected to "national security," and the government
is taking his side in the matter. Does it make sense that DEA agents in significant
numbers have quit and stated the war on drugs is ultimately a sham, because
every major drug supplier is working for the government supplying information
on other drug suppliers so none of them can be prosecuted?
Great post oleo.
oleo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2007 06:33 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;9150 wrote:
Great post oleo.


Wait, we agree on something... maybe there is hope for the world.Very Happy

I wish the Libertarians had their act together, and weren't usually represented
by such dorks who can't communicate effectively.

It seems to me most people want less government intervention in their lives,
less of a burden for financially supporting government and truly a more
equal and fair country for those who try their best.

If they could come up with solid platforms they might get somewhere, and win
over people from both sides of the current stalemate.
Curmudgeon
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2007 10:22 pm
@oleo,
oleo;9152 wrote:

I wish the Libertarians had their act together, and weren't usually represented
by such dorks who can't communicate effectively.

It seems to me most people want less government intervention in their lives,
less of a burden for financially supporting government and truly a more
equal and fair country for those who try their best.

If they could come up with solid platforms they might get somewhere, and win
over people from both sides of the current stalemate.


This fence-sitter agrees .
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2007 10:46 pm
@oleo,
oleo;9152 wrote:
Wait, we agree on something... maybe there is hope for the world.Very Happy

I wish the Libertarians had their act together, and weren't usually represented
by such dorks who can't communicate effectively.

It seems to me most people want less government intervention in their lives,
less of a burden for financially supporting government and truly a more
equal and fair country for those who try their best.

If they could come up with solid platforms they might get somewhere, and win
over people from both sides of the current stalemate.
I said it was a great post, not that i agreed with it. (Sarcasm) Just had to throw that one in, LOL.
On a serious note, you make very valid points. I don't see it as party afiliation though. But down to core beliefs, IMO that's why there is a stalemate.
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oleo
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2007 09:46 pm
@z0z0,
Both current parties were founded on the same thing, reacting to other groups.

That's what's funny, really.

...and both of them are now more about "power" for the most part than
those principles. Choosing among what I think are the lesser of evils doesn't
make me feel great.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 08:28 am
@z0z0,
Some times in life your lucky to have a choice looking for the better of two evils. The power brokers may be stalemated but not the core believers. We can work our way around them.
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 08:37 am
@z0z0,
HA ha ha - Drnaline you don't even know who you have to work around.

No matter how the majority of the people vote - the same people are in power election after election. Stop living in your dreamland.
z0z0
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 08:54 pm
@z0z0,
How many men with guns in all these "Police Forces"?

FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, ATF, DOJ, Secret Service, DHS, ICE, INS, State, Local
DCIS, NCIS, US Marshalls, Federal Air Marshalls, Fish and Wildlife, Treasury
Cost Guard, Reserves, Border Patrol and IRS
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