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The treatment of western women?

 
 
mousy
 
Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 11:47 am
Your opinion of the treatment of western women...we have focused so much on other cultures

Just about anywhere I looked in the world...no place was bliss for women..including the United States.. sex objects..and if I should venture further..seen a woman president lately? And one supported by the American Men ?

And as far as religion is concerned...ever witness....at any time in history... a Female Pope? The only qualified candidate is The dead Virgin Mary...so even the western woman is strugglin with suffering and inequality
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:06 pm
@mousy,
mousy;39187 wrote:
including the United States.. sex objects


Sex sells. We're the biggest capitalists in the world. If it sells, we WILL exploit it until it is destroyed. Doesn't matter who or what is ruined in the process.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:07 pm
@mousy,
There hasn't been a woman president because of the few that have run, only two have run on major party tickets. Further, women are objectified EVERYWHERE, as men generally become....excited in their presence. In this country however, women enjoy the same liberties as men, and while some built-in discrimination does occur (sometimes justly), our view of women is highly enlightened.

I would gladly vote for a female candidate if her views coincided with my own. Problem is that most female candidates from from the Green or Socialist Workers parties, or worse, the DNC. Another problem is the same one facing black candidates; many of their proponents are idiots. They vote for a woman, or a black simply because of their gender or race, that is MORONIC. Give me a qualified female candidate who stands out among her male counterparts, and I will happily vote for her. Until then, let the white male generentocracy continue.
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tvsej
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:12 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;39197 wrote:
Sex sells. We're the biggest capitalists in the world. If it sells, we WILL exploit it until it is destroyed. Doesn't matter who or what is ruined in the process.


Great post! Our society is totally sick, little girls don't eat so they can look like our media portrays, these talk shows and MTV crap shows are just selling the **** out of sex. We in America are the most uptight nation in the western world about sex and nudity. Strangly enough our entertainment industry has a completly different view and we except it. Go figure.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:21 pm
@tvsej,
tvsej;39201 wrote:
Great post! Our society is totally sick, little girls don't eat so they can look like our media portrays, these talk shows and MTV crap shows are just selling the **** out of sex. We in America are the most uptight nation in the western world about sex and nudity. Strangly enough our entertainment industry has a completly different view and we except it. Go figure.


It's a two-way mirror. They wouldn't broadcast it if it wasn't what we wanted to see.
tvsej
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:35 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;39202 wrote:
It's a two-way mirror. They wouldn't broadcast it if it wasn't what we wanted to see.


that is not entirely true, if you ask a few men if they would like to have a stick in bed with them, many say no. the same stick girl with influenza would die, healthy mother for their children doesn't look like that. Weak, cold, can't do much, alot of complaining and high maintnence is a turn off for many men with a brain who want a real women. Twiggy is out, fat is out, normal healthy real people are what is mainstream, not what the media portrays. Its just selling sex, looks good but don't touch it it will fall apart.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:40 pm
@tvsej,
tvsej;39201 wrote:
Great post! Our society is totally sick, little girls don't eat so they can look like our media portrays, these talk shows and MTV crap shows are just selling the **** out of sex. We in America are the most uptight nation in the western world about sex and nudity. Strangly enough our entertainment industry has a completly different view and we except it. Go figure.


It's all about the vertical smile.

Buy the car, it'll get you laid. Wear the clothes, they'll get you laid. Put on this fragrance, it'll get you laid. Act like this, it'll get you laid. Take this drug, it'll let you keep getting laid. Buy the weight trainer, big muscles get you laid!!!

Girls have it MUCH worse. They're meant to feel inferior if they don't look a certain way, if their breasts aren't big enough, if they don't give it up by a certain time, if their waist isn't a certain size...

I'm sure you've seen posters and avatars with cool things like "No fat chicks, it slows my ET" or "Hold my trophy while I kiss your girl".

The neat trick is you can't simply get rid of sex. It's the driving force of every living thing on this planet and probably the universe. What you *CAN* do is make it less of a taboo.

Freeman15;39202 wrote:
It's a two-way mirror. They wouldn't broadcast it if it wasn't what we wanted to see.


We buy it because our parents bought it. The industry just realizes it can get away with more and more. Ever watch the scene in The Time Machine where he watches the dresses on the mannequins get shorter and shorter?
tvsej
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:55 pm
@Sabz5150,
Yeah great get laid but what about when they want something real and meaningful, does a guy really want to marry the girl who fucked him on the first date because he has a cool car.
Everything you said is true, our parents bought so we buy it too.
I have a question do guys really like fake breasts and fake surgical bodies?
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 01:19 pm
@tvsej,
tvsej;39212 wrote:
Yeah great get laid but what about when they want something real and meaningful, does a guy really want to marry the girl who ***ed him on the first date because he has a cool car.


Of course not! Defeats the purpose. You buy the car to get laid by SEVERAL women. Sex is the goal, not commitment.
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westernmom
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 01:31 pm
@mousy,
As an older woman that has lived mostly in the US and a few years in Canada I guess I just have never felt like I was discriminated against.

I raised my kids and enjoyed doing so while hubby worked hard to bring home the bacon - which I cooked. We were a "family" raising our children. We did without a few luxuries because of my choice to stay home but during that time I learned skills that I used to start my own business - sewing and decorating. I started a very successful business in custom drapery and interior design that I ran for 13 years. I imported fabric from Europe, dealt with large corporations, etc. and never felt that because I was a woman that I was treated differently.

Now, I work in a competitive business surrounded by men and they treat me with the respect that they would anyone else.

Women who want to hold the priesthood? Why? Responsibility comes with that calling. I would rather be on the other end of the spectrum - procreation - something a man cannot do!

I vote, voice my opinion, own property, and pretty much do my own thing.

As far as looks - yes, a woman who looks fabulous might get her foot in the door quicker, but will also get the boot if she doesn't measure up.

Almost any woman can look nice with effort. It's not all about having the best body - it's about being clean, well groomed and intelligent.

If a man is shallow enough to just be interested in a woman because of her looks then he isn't worth your attention, is he?

I have a gorgeous daughter and she dated some pretty homely guys. When asked about it she said that she never paid attention to looks but the person inside, and besides looks fade quickly. This came from dating guys that wanted that trophy on his arm and forgot that he too had to give something more to the relationship.

Besides ladies, don't you like to look at the guys who are ripped? I really think it goes both ways!
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 01:40 pm
@westernmom,
westernmom;39216 wrote:
As an older woman that has lived mostly in the US and a few years in Canada I guess I just have never felt like I was discriminated against.

I raised my kids and enjoyed doing so while hubby worked hard to bring home the bacon - which I cooked. We were a "family" raising our children. We did without a few luxuries because of my choice to stay home but during that time I learned skills that I used to start my own business - sewing and decorating. I started a very successful business in custom drapery and interior design that I ran for 13 years. I imported fabric from Europe, dealt with large corporations, etc. and never felt that because I was a woman that I was treated differently.

Now, I work in a competitive business surrounded by men and they treat me with the respect that they would anyone else.

Women who want to hold the priesthood? Why? Responsibility comes with that calling. I would rather be on the other end of the spectrum - procreation - something a man cannot do!

I vote, voice my opinion, own property, and pretty much do my own thing.

As far as looks - yes, a woman who looks fabulous might get her foot in the door quicker, but will also get the boot if she doesn't measure up.

Almost any woman can look nice with effort. It's not all about having the best body - it's about being clean, well groomed and intelligent.

If a man is shallow enough to just be interested in a woman because of her looks then he isn't worth your attention, is he?

I have a gorgeous daughter and she dated some pretty homely guys. When asked about it she said that she never paid attention to looks but the person inside, and besides looks fade quickly. This came from dating guys that wanted that trophy on his arm and forgot that he too had to give something more to the relationship.

Besides ladies, don't you like to look at the guys who are ripped? I really think it goes both ways!


Here's a little homework assignment for ya. Go out and buy a copy of Cosmo. Read it. Every single page.

Now, realize that the majority of young women in this country follow drivel like that. There's half your problem.

Next, go and buy a copy of Maxim. Read it. Every page. Realize THAT is what the majority of young men in this country follow. There's the other half.
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 02:02 pm
@mousy,
mousy;39187 wrote:
Your opinion of the treatment of western women...we have focused so much on other cultures

Just about anywhere I looked in the world...no place was bliss for women..including the United States.. sex objects..and if I should venture further..seen a woman president lately? And one supported by the American Men ?

And as far as religion is concerned...ever witness....at any time in history... a Female Pope? The only qualified candidate is The dead Virgin Mary...so even the western woman is strugglin with suffering and inequality
I seen something the history channel awhile back about one of the popes being a woman, dress in drag..in some cases it's hard to treat woman as an equal, some woman are better than man , some are worst.. and men are being treated like sex objects as well.
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westernmom
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 03:09 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;39219 wrote:
Here's a little homework assignment for ya. Go out and buy a copy of Cosmo. Read it. Every single page.

Now, realize that the majority of young women in this country follow drivel like that. There's half your problem.

Next, go and buy a copy of Maxim. Read it. Every page. Realize THAT is what the majority of young men in this country follow. There's the other half.


Having a daughter that was a model and a dancer I don't have to read the mags! And, having raised 4 daughters and one son I kind of have a clue as to what the world likes or dislikes. I don't sit with my head in the sand all day.

I just think that there are a lot of people in this world that don't live their lives patterned after the Britney's of the world.

My daughter is a motivational speaker for young people with a presentation called "Inside-Out" - beauty begins from the inside out. I attend her speaking engagements and see girls from all walks of life and are generally impressed with the caliber of young people I encounter.

If you are one of those that sit and hate the world because of your physical assets then you need to do something positive about it!
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 03:44 pm
@westernmom,
i love curvy women :p Very Happy
westernmom
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 04:55 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;39253 wrote:
i love curvy women :p Very Happy


I think more guys like the curvy ones than the boney ones!
mlurp
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 08:32 pm
@westernmom,
Women have and will continue to build this country. The top floor should be open to them. Salaries should be the same as for men in the same position.

Now I am not saying Mrs. Clinton should be president. But women would probably do a far better job than men. Now that would require all countries to have women leaders to get it right the first time. Whats the odds of the men giving up power?
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 06:21 am
@westernmom,
westernmom;39245 wrote:
Having a daughter that was a model and a dancer I don't have to read the mags! And, having raised 4 daughters and one son I kind of have a clue as to what the world likes or dislikes. I don't sit with my head in the sand all day.

I just think that there are a lot of people in this world that don't live their lives patterned after the Britney's of the world.

My daughter is a motivational speaker for young people with a presentation called "Inside-Out" - beauty begins from the inside out. I attend her speaking engagements and see girls from all walks of life and are generally impressed with the caliber of young people I encounter.

If you are one of those that sit and hate the world because of your physical assets then you need to do something positive about it!


Having children is not the point. That won't help you answer some of the extremely hypocritical questions our culture puts in front of us.

From a parent to a parent... explain to me a few things:

1. How in the world is branding penises on your ass cool? It must be, they make MILLIONS off of it. If not millions, it has to be enough to afford to drive a hummer into someone's house. And how in the world is THAT cool?! That sells too!!!

2. Why do we rip apart video games which are clearly marked for mature players, because of the violence and sexual themes portrayed in them, while we allow our TVs and radios to feed us the same stuff? How does a woman who buys an M rated game for their ELEVEN YEAR OLD, have a case in court and shows how video games are "destroying our children's minds"? Watch football much? That's some of the most violent **** on TV! How about shows like 24? To put the icing on that particular cake, the commercials are even better! Look, this will make you rock hard for hours on end!

3. How can we teach our children not to do drugs, all while shoving pharmo-poisons down their throats? Crack open one of those "women's" magazines... I was totally abhorred by the amount of ads for drugs to make your kids "normal". I've seen what those chemicals do to kids... I'd rather see my daughter fire up a joint than force unpronounceable chemicals on them.

4. From number three... why is a drug (Marijuana) that has caused ZERO deaths among THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THIS COUNTRY deemed illegal, while alcohol, which I could turn on my TV at any given time and see teenage fatalities due to its use, perfectly okay to sell and advertise? You wanna talk about using sex to sell something... ho-lee HELL the alcohol co's are one of the worst. Even cigarette ads weren't that bad! We even tried to prohibit alcohol once before... I'll tell you right now, it wasn't the kid's use of it that made it legal again.

The problems in our society and the ways we treat the people in it go FAR beyond just physical assets. As they say, that's just the tip of the ol' iceberg.
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AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 06:21 am
@mlurp,
mlurp;39273 wrote:
Women have and will continue to build this country. The top floor should be open to them. Salaries should be the same as for men in the same position.

Now I am not saying Mrs. Clinton should be president. But women would probably do a far better job than men. Now that would require all countries to have women leaders to get it right the first time. Whats the odds of the men giving up power?
There is some jobs woman should never have control of ..
westernmom
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 10:32 am
@mousy,
Sabz,

Everything you cite in your post goes to a strong family unit. Having parents that are involved in their children's education, building healthy self-esteems (not by giving in and making excuses but by setting goals and having higher expectations of children), providing opportunities for a strong work ethic, and providing a stable home environment helps parents combat those things in the world that are unacceptable.

Children need to be taught standards and moral values. These things should be taught by example and daily living, not shoving it down their throats. We then give them ammunition to go out into the world. They have to live in this world and need to be armed so that they can combat the evils they encounter. This can be done in a healthy environment. I'm no pollyanna and realize that no matter how strong we try to make our children that they too will screw up but hopefully we give them a firmer foundation so that they don't topple with the winds.

I also realize the role of a woman in today's society has changed and being a "mom" often times takes a backseat to other priorities and because of this many children are left to their own devices and fall into the traps laid by the media and the world in general.

I guess that's why I volunteer my time and work with kids that don't always have a strong family background.
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westernmom
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 10:34 am
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
AMERICAFIRST;39314 wrote:
There is some jobs woman should never have control of ..


Oh baloney! There are some jobs that as a woman I wouldn't want to have but don't tell me that I "can't" do it!

That's the kind of thinking that makes girls want to play on football teams instead of being a cheerleader!

Just tell a person they shouldn't or can't do something and they will do everything they can to prove you wrong - especially a woman!
 

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