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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 09:08 am
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F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallieshas advised local law enforcement officials to report any suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism squads, according to interviews and a confidential bureau memorandum.

The memorandum, which the bureau sent to local law enforcement agencies last month in advance of antiwar demonstrations in Washington and San Francisco, detailed how protesters have sometimes used "training camps" to rehearse for demonstrations, the Internet to raise money and gas masks to defend against tear gas. The memorandum analyzed lawful activities like recruiting demonstrators, as well as illegal activities like using fake documentation to get into a secured site.

F.B.I. officials said in interviews that the intelligence-gathering effort was aimed at identifying anarchists and "extremist elements" plotting violence, not at monitoring the political speech of law-abiding protesters.

The initiative has won the support of some local police, who view it as a critical way to maintain order at large-scale demonstrations. Indeed, some law enforcement officials said they believed the F.B.I.'s approach had helped to ensure that nationwide antiwar demonstrations in recent months, drawing hundreds of thousands of protesters, remained largely free of violence and disruption.

But some civil rights advocates and legal scholars said the monitoring program could signal a return to the abuses of the 1960's and 1970's, when J. Edgar Hoover was the F.B.I. director and agents routinely spied on political protesters like the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"The F.B.I. is dangerously targeting Americans who are engaged in nothing more than lawful protest and dissent," said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and legitimate civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a serious concern about whether we're going back to the days of Hoover."

Herman Schwartz, a constitutional law professor at American University who has written about F.B.I. history, said collecting intelligence at demonstrations is probably legal.

But he added: "As a matter of principle, it has a very serious chilling effect on peaceful demonstration. If you go around telling people, `We're going to ferret out information on demonstrations,' that deters people. People don't want their names and pictures in F.B.I. files."

The abuses of the Hoover era, which included efforts by the F.B.I. to harass and discredit Hoover's political enemies under a program known as Cointelpro, led to tight restrictions on F.B.I. investigations of political activities.

Those restrictions were relaxed significantly last year, when Attorney General John Ashcroft issued guidelines giving agents authority to attend political rallies, mosques and any event "open to the public."


Mr. Ashcroft said the Sept. 11 attacks made it essential that the F.B.I. be allowed to investigate terrorism more aggressively. The bureau's recent strategy in policing demonstrations is an outgrowth of that policy, officials said.

"We're not concerned with individuals who are exercising their constitutional rights," one F.B.I. official said. "But it's obvious that there are individuals capable of violence at these events. We know that there are anarchists that are actively involved in trying to sabotage and commit acts of violence at these different events, and we also know that these large gatherings would be a prime target for terrorist groups."

Civil rights advocates, relying largely on anecdotal evidence, have complained for months that federal officials have surreptitiously sought to suppress the First Amendment rights of antiwar demonstrators.

Critics of the Bush administration's Iraq policy, for instance, have sued the government to learn how their names ended up on a "no fly" list used to stop suspected terrorists from boarding planes. Civil rights advocates have accused federal and local authorities in Denver and Fresno, Calif., of spying on antiwar demonstrators or infiltrating planning meetings. And the New York Police Department this year questioned many of those arrested at demonstrations about their political affiliations, before halting the practice and expunging the data in the face of public criticism.

The F.B.I. memorandum, however, appears to offer the first corroboration of a coordinated, nationwide effort to collect intelligence regarding demonstrations.potentially illegal acts" to counterterrorism task forces run by the F.B.I. It warned about an array of threats, including homemade bombs and the formation of human chains.

The memorandum discussed demonstrators' "innovative strategies," like the videotaping of arrests as a means of "intimidation" against the police. And it noted that protesters "often use the Internet to recruit, raise funds and coordinate their activities prior to demonstrations."

"Activists may also make use of training camps to rehearse tactics and counter-strategies for dealing with the police and to resolve any logistical issues," the memorandum continued. It also noted that protesters may raise money to help pay for lawyers for those arrested.

F.B.I. counterterrorism officials developed the intelligence cited in the memorandum through firsthand observation, informants, public sources like the Internet and other methods, officials said.

Officials said the F.B.I. treats demonstrations no differently than other large-scale and vulnerable gatherings. The aim, they said, was not to monitor protesters but to gather intelligence.

Critics said they remained worried. "What the F.B.I. regards as potential terrorism," Mr. Romero of the A.C.L.U. said, "strikes me as civil disobedience."

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/23/national/23FBI.html
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 09:11 am
Bush with coonskin cap and shotgun: If'n ye ain't fer us, yer agin us."
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 11:29 am
Except for the fact that it is sad beyond words...the machinations of this foolhardy, evil regime called the Bush administration would be hilariouos.

They pride themselves on love of country and devotion to the teachings of Jesus Christ -- and know almost nothing about either.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 11:41 am
Frank, you gotta check out the description of the mess that was left at Buckingham Palace and particularly in the gardens. Aside from everything else, these guys are huge yahoos.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 04:26 pm
Oh, yeah, protestors can be messy.
I guess Law Enforcement can cite people for littering.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 04:31 pm
shoesharper started a similar thread earlier here:

Protesting Is Suspicious Behavior?
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 09:51 pm
Tartarin wrote:
Frank, you gotta check out the description of the mess that was left at Buckingham Palace and particularly in the gardens. Aside from everything else, these guys are huge yahoos.


My God yes----I'll bet George and Laura were throwing beer bottles out the the windows of BP----damn Tart have you no sense of shame----no I guess not----how many stories have you sold to the tabloids? Cool Evil or Very Mad
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John Webb
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 05:26 am
Eight Americans died in Iraq over the weekend and two more injured (official figures).

Apparently any American protesting against the ever-increasing death toll is now to be regarded as anti-American and a potential supporter of terrorism by the Administration and the F.B.I.

At least the Administration have the advantage of experience in their favour. Most of the people who voted for Bush at the last election will believe ANYTHING ..... even total madness!
Drunk
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 10:12 am
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November 24, 2003 | Daily Mislead Archive

Bush's Monitoring of Protests Belies His Stated Support for Free Speech


President Bush has expressed repeated support for protestors' rights to express themselves, exclaiming to the Australian parliament in October, "I love free speech."1 But federal law enforcement is showing up at political demonstrations, routinely monitoring such protests for the first time since the 1970's.

Last week, the president responded to interviewer David Frost's question about the protestors expected to greet his presence in London, "Freedom is a beautiful thing, I would first say, and aren't you lucky to be in a country that encourages people to speak their mind. And I value going to a country where people are free to say anything they want to say."2

The New York Times reported Sunday, however, that a weekly bulletin published by the FBI and distributed to local law enforcement included information about organizing tactics of anti-war demonstrators in cities such as Washington and San Francisco. One FBI official was quoted as saying, "We're not concerned with individuals who are exercising their constitutional rights. But it's obvious that there are individuals capable of violence at these events."3

But the memo details and analyzes legal activities, such as using the Internet for fundraising, and tactics used by organizations to recruit demonstrators.4

Indeed, the administration has sent mixed signals on free speech after September 11th. Weeks after the attacks, Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said that Americans, "need to watch what they say, watch what they do."5 And Attorney General John Ashcroft, came under heavy criticism for saying that critics of the Patriot Act "aid terrorists."6

Reports of the FBI's monitoring have drawn comparisons with the program known as Cointelpro, created during the Cold War and in effect until the 1970's, when the FBI routinely sent agents to infiltrate organizations protesting the Vietnam War.

Sources:
Presidential Speech before Australian Parliament, 10/22/03.
Interview with David Frost, BBC, 11/17/03.
Ibid.
"F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies," The New York Times, 11/23/03, Sec. 1, p. 18.
Press Briefing, 9/26/01.
"John Ashcroft," Associated Press, 2/26/03.
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 10:46 am
Tart

You're showing your desperation now-----you are willing to grasp at any straw Laughing
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 11:05 am
nah, grasping at straws is the ongoing search for WoMD.
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 11:32 am
dyslexia wrote:
nah, grasping at straws is the ongoing search for WoMD.


It's entirely possible that when we find Saddam he will be sitting on his "pile" of WMD trying to emulate a chicken and make them "hatch". :wink:
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 12:41 pm
I'll make an admission. I have been feeling proud of myself this morning, and even more proud of others who have, from the get-go, been willing to hold this administration up to daily examination and to express doubt where doubt has been warranted.

I pat us all on the back. We've been up against administration supporters and some real anger all the way along. Every little expression of doubt has met with derision from Bush supporters but virtually every issue, little and big, has turned out to have been significant enough for the administration to find out this morning that 60% of Americans now would prefer ANY Democratic candidate over the re-election of Bush.

Hugs all around to the good guys!! Keep up the good work!!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 12:52 pm
The WMDs are in Saddam's breast pocket, I keep telling you people. When you find him Bush will be exonerated.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 05:56 pm
Tartarin wrote:
Frank, you gotta check out the description of the mess that was left at Buckingham Palace and particularly in the gardens. Aside from everything else, these guys are huge yahoos.



Haven't read about this -- but would love to. Anyone have a link???
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 06:01 pm
I saw it here earlier, but can't find it, so here is another link.Queen Furious at Bush's Trashy Ways!
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Queen's Fury As Bush Goons Wreck Garden
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on Nov 24, 2003 - 03:27 PM
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The Queen is furious with President George W. Bush after his state visit caused thousands of pounds of damage to her gardens at Buckingham Palace.



Royal officials are now in touch with the Queen's insurers and Prime Minister Tony Blair to find out who will pick up the massive repair bill. Palace staff said they had never seen the Queen so angry as when she saw how her perfectly-mantained lawns had been churned up after being turned into helipads with three giant H landing markings for the Bush visit.

The rotors of the President's Marine Force One helicopter and two support Black Hawks damaged trees and shrubs that had survived since Queen Victoria's reign.

And Bush's army of clod-hopping security service men trampled more precious and exotic plants.

The Queen's own flock of flamingoes, which security staff insisted should be moved in case they flew into the helicopter rotors, are thought to be so traumatised after being taken to a "place of safety" that they might never return home.

The historic fabric of the Palace was also damaged as high-tech links were fitted for the US leader and his entourage during his three-day stay with the Queen.

The Palace's head gardener, Mark Lane, was reported to be in tears when he saw the scale of the damage.

"The Queen has every right to feel insulted at the way she has been treated by Bush," said a Palace insider.

"The repairs will cost tens of thousands of pounds but the damage to historic and rare plants will be immense. They are still taking an inventory.

"The lawns are used for royal garden parties and are beautifully kept. But 30,000 visitors did not do as much damage as the Americans did in three days.

"Their security people and support staff tramped all over the place and left an absolute mess. It is particularly sad because the Queen Mother loved to wander in the garden just as the Queen and Prince Charles do now.

"Some of the roses, flowers and shrubs damaged are thought to be rare varieties named after members of the Royal Family and planted by the Queen Mother and Queen.

"Other Royals had their own favourite parts of the garden as children and some of those areas have been damaged."

The Queen's insurers have told her she is covered for statues, garden furniture and plants she personally owns, but the bill for repairing damage to the lawns and the structure of the Palace will probably have to be picked up by the Government.

The Americans made alterations to accommodate specialised equipment. The mass of gadgetry meant the Royals couldn't get a decent TV picture during the visit
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shoesharper
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 11:58 pm
Tartarin -- I hope you will see my thread, "Protesting Is Suspicious Behavior?", under General News.

As I said there, the idea that they are looking for terrorists is nonsense. How many terrorists are dumb enough to make themselves obvious and identifiable in a crowd? Ashcroft and his troops are looking for dissenters, and nothing else, IMHO.
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shoesharper
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 04:07 am
Today's Daily Mislead --

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Bush's Monitoring of Protests Belies His Stated Support for Free Speech


President Bush has expressed repeated support for protestors' rights to express themselves, exclaiming to the Australian parliament in October, "I love free speech."1 But federal law enforcement is showing up at political demonstrations, routinely monitoring such protests for the first time since the 1970's.

Last week, the president responded to interviewer David Frost's question about the protestors expected to greet his presence in London, "Freedom is a beautiful thing, I would first say, and aren't you lucky to be in a country that encourages people to speak their mind. And I value going to a country where people are free to say anything they want to say."2

The New York Times reported Sunday, however, that a weekly bulletin published by the FBI and distributed to local law enforcement included information about organizing tactics of anti-war demonstrators in cities such as Washington and San Francisco. One FBI official was quoted as saying, "We're not concerned with individuals who are exercising their constitutional rights. But it's obvious that there are individuals capable of violence at these events."3

But the memo details and analyzes legal activities, such as using the Internet for fundraising, and tactics used by organizations to recruit demonstrators.4

Indeed, the administration has sent mixed signals on free speech after September 11th. Weeks after the attacks, Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said that Americans, "need to watch what they say, watch what they do."5 And Attorney General John Ashcroft, came under heavy criticism for saying that critics of the Patriot Act "aid terrorists."6

Reports of the FBI's monitoring have drawn comparisons with the program known as Cointelpro, created during the Cold War and in effect until the 1970's, when the FBI routinely sent agents to infiltrate organizations protesting the Vietnam War.

Sources:
Presidential Speech before Australian Parliament, 10/22/03.
Interview with David Frost, BBC, 11/17/03.
Ibid.
"F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies," The New York Times, 11/23/03, Sec. 1, p. 18.
Press Briefing, 9/26/01.
"John Ashcroft," Associated Press, 2/26/03.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 05:01 am
Anybody see the ad?
There is an ad running that says people are attacking GW's attack on terroism. Candidate Clark said that he is attacking GW for exactly the opposite; The Admin. is not doing enough to protect the USA from terrorists.

Creating more terrorists with Imperialism of the USA is not protecting Americans from terrorists. That's what I say.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 02:44 pm
Any knucklehead that wants to involve him/her self in an anti-US demostration should expect to be investigated. You don't see any PRO-US people stteing off bombs on American soil.

If you are going to be an unpatriotic horses ass, be prepared for he consequences. Whining about it will not accomplish anything.
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