Guantanamo Bay Need to Be Kept Alive and Kickin!!!g

@Sherman cv,

To hell with human rights? Ha ha. Very Happy

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@Sherman cv,

We can't release those prisoners until the war is over, and this war will not be over in their lifetimes.

Maybe we could build them a nice prison in Northern Alaska. Very Happy

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@WillSpencer,

They aren't prisoners, they are detainees. We couldn't torture them if they were prisioners.:jail:

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@Sherman cv,

To my mind they are prisoners of war who do not qualify for protection under the Geneva Convention.

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@tumbleweed cv,

tumbleweed;5957 wrote:

They aren't prisoners, they are detainees. We couldn't torture them if they were prisioners.:jail:

Are We torturing them, how? They have more humane attentions now under US protection then they got during their miserable life!! Very Happy

Because for sure is more than they deserve....Today these kind of people go free to do what the hell they want, kill everybody does not fit their concept of political, religious and social strucuture.. So, do we really have to care about those b.....s?:eek: Hell NOOoooo!:no:

MORE GTMO AROUND THE WORLD make our live easier and safer!!!!:headbang:
F......k Human Rights!:headbang:

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@Sherman cv,

Sherman;5969 wrote:

Are We torturing them, how? They have more humane attentions now under US protection then they got during their miserable life!!

Because for sure is more than they deserve....Today these kind of people go free to do what the hell they want, kill everybody does not fit their concept of political, religious and social strucuture.. So, do we really have to care about those b.....s?:eek: Hell NOOoooo!:no:

MORE GTMO AROUND THE WORLD make our live easier and safer!!!!:headbang:
F......k Human Rights!:headbang:

I could understand your point of view if all the detainees were guilty of a crime.

The U.S. is no better where it comes human rights than the countries that we complain about.

Who said they were all terrorists? Oh yea, the U.S. government.:patriot:

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@tumbleweed cv,

tumbleweed;5970 wrote:

I could understand your point of view if all the detainees were guilty of a crime.

The U.S. is no better where it comes human rights than the countries that we complain about.

Who said they were all terrorists? Oh yea, the U.S. government.:patriot:

Are you kidding? What if they are guilty.? We would have one more free on the street to plan a jihad!!! :eek:

They are better in jail than out and riunited with their muslim radicals friends...No sympathy on my part!!:no:

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@Sherman cv,

To the liberal mind, no one is every guilty of anything.

They wouldn't support shooting a Nazi soldier, because he was only following orders. They wouldn't support shooting a terrorist, because it's wrong to punish the terrorist for his cultural beliefs. After all, everything is relative and we're no better than them. Bombings are just part of the Muslim culture, and it would be wrong of us to try to impose our cultural values on them.

No. The Liberals are wrong. These terrorists are enemy soldiers and they need to be treated as such.

However, they do not qualify for protection under the rules of the Geneva Convention.

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@WillSpencer,

Will.Spencer;5989 wrote:

To the liberal mind, no one is every guilty of anything.

They wouldn't support shooting a Nazi soldier, because he was only following orders. They wouldn't support shooting a terrorist, because it's wrong to punish the terrorist for his cultural beliefs. After all, everything is relative and we're no better than them. Bombings are just part of the Muslim culture, and it would be wrong of us to try to impose our cultural values on them.

No. The Liberals are wrong. These terrorists are enemy soldiers and they need to be treated as such.

However, they do not qualify for protection under the rules of the Geneva Convention.

It's nice to know that NeoCons consider everyone guilty just because they said so.:lame:

So you must think it was great that the U.S. invaded Iraq ,who had no connection to 9-11, or WMDs.:wtf:

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@Sherman cv,

I don't see why the Liberals keep trying to link Iraq and 9/11. There are lots of bad people in the world. They are bad in their own right, they don't need to team together to be bad. It's like arguing that AIDS isn't bad because it has nothing to do with earthquakes. No, AIDS and earthquakes are both bad.

Please, can't you come up with a better argument than that?

Iraq obviously had WMD's. They used 'em. We found more when we invaded. However, Iraq didn't have the WMD program they were leading us to believe they had. It's unfortunately that their Russian and European advisors told them that we would not invade instead of telling them to be honest. But, Iraq was on the path to redeveloping their WMD program, and would right now be in full-swing with it in order to compete with their enemies the Iranians. We stopped that, and stopping that was a good thing. But, the invasion of Iraq wasn't really about WMD's either.

Nor was it about oil. Only the slowest of the slow believe that old yarn.

But, this is a thread about Guantanamo Bay. If I'm feeling generous I'll start another thread explaining Iraq to you.

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@WillSpencer,

Will.Spencer;5996 wrote:

I don't see why the Liberals keep trying to link Iraq and 9/11. There are lots of bad people in the world. They are bad in their own right, they don't need to team together to be bad. It's like arguing that AIDS isn't bad because it has nothing to do with earthquakes. No, AIDS and earthquakes are both bad.

Please, can't you come up with a better argument than that?

Iraq obviously had WMD's. They used 'em. We found more when we invaded. However, Iraq didn't have the WMD program they were leading us to believe they had. It's unfortunately that their Russian and European advisors told them that we would not invade instead of telling them to be honest. But, Iraq was on the path to redeveloping their WMD program, and would right now be in full-swing with it in order to compete with their enemies the Iranians. We stopped that, and stopping that was a good thing. But, the invasion of Iraq wasn't really about WMD's either.

Nor was it about oil. Only the slowest of the slow believe that old yarn.

But, this is a thread about Guantanamo Bay. If I'm feeling generous I'll start another thread explaining Iraq to you.

'

I'm not under the impression that you are qualified to explain anything to me, thank you.:439:

I used Iraq as example of how misleading the Bush administration is when relaying information.

Guantanamo Bay is a good example of why Bush and company like making up their own rules in the name of fighting terrorism.:beerchug:

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@WillSpencer,

Will.Spencer;5989 wrote:

To the liberal mind, no one is every guilty of anything.

They wouldn't support shooting a Nazi soldier, because he was only following orders. They wouldn't support shooting a terrorist, because it's wrong to punish the terrorist for his cultural beliefs. After all, everything is relative and we're no better than them. Bombings are just part of the Muslim culture, and it would be wrong of us to try to impose our cultural values on them.

No. The Liberals are wrong. These terrorists are enemy soldiers and they need to be treated as such.

However, they do not qualify for protection under the rules of the Geneva Convention.

Spoken like a true Nazi soldier.

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@oleo,

AIDS and earthquakes... that says a lot about the deluded conservative mind.
I'll have to remember that one.

90% of the detainees had nothing to do with anything. They are innocent.

You argue that the 10% who may have known something, and may have
known anything useful makes the rest worth it.

"Kill them all, let God sort them out." Is that it?

Why don't we simply suspend all rights for the entire global population, that
way we can be insured on no threats ever existing again.

That's what Osama and his ilk want. Join them in that...

"All the infidels are the same!"

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@oleo,

oleo;6030 wrote:

90% of the detainees had nothing to do with anything. They are innocent.

Prove that.

Quote:

You argue that the 10% who may have known something, and may have
known anything useful makes the rest worth it.

You haven't proven that 90% were innocent yet. What was that quote about statistics again? 76% of statistic are made up?

Quote:

"Kill them all, let God sort them out." Is that it?

That's exactly it! That is exactly what is happening too! Damn you caught us. We are just killing everyone one down there. :beat:

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@Brent cv,

Brent;6031 wrote:

Prove that.

I could link to an article that says approximately 93% are innocent, but that
wouldn't be "proof." I was baiting someone with that, anyway. In America
an individual is "innocent until PROVEN guilty, so the burden is in proving
they AREN"T innocent. Unless that little priviledge doesn't extend to people
who aren't from America, in which case we're fascists.

Quote:

You haven't proven that 90% were innocent yet. What was that quote about statistics again? 76% of statistic are made up?

Prove that the number is as high as 76%.

Quote:

That's exactly it! That is exactly what is happening too! Damn you caught us. We are just killing everyone one down there. :beat:

I was speaking of a figurative mindset.

look, if you see it as "us" against "them," in black and white terms,
congratulations! You're Bin Laden's posterboy for American injustice.
He played you.

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@oleo,

[QUOTE=oleo;6033]I could link to an article that says approximately 93% are innocent, but that
wouldn't be "proof." I was baiting someone with that, anyway. In America
an individual is "innocent until PROVEN guilty, so the burden is in proving
they AREN"T innocent. Unless that little priviledge doesn't extend to people
who aren't from America, in which case we're fascists.

Prove that the number is as high as 76%.

I was speaking of a figurative mindset.

look, if you see it as "us" against "them," in black and white terms,
congratulations! You're Bin Laden's posterboy for American injustice.
He played you.[/QUOTE]

Are serious? We did not make those muslim terrorists!! We did not invade Iraq for all the reason you think!! We invade Iraq because it represent a nest for terrorists, it still does now!!!Who the heck want to send our soldiers in that malsane and hostile envirnment to be killed? :no:

I tell you what, i personally will build a fence to separate the ME for the rest of the world so they can live their lives and we can live ours so everybody would be happy... Unfortunately we cannot do that !:no:

We need to live shoulder to shoulder with a threat we have created by allowing muslim in our countries..So that's our real huge problem ; we must live everyday unknowingly that one of these days the sword of Democle is gonna cut our heads neat in no time:eek: !!!:
Maybe we should be fascist!! Apparently being so damn democr/liber it is not working, if we start to miss the big picture! Which is that we have enemies and we need to protect ourselves.. and our countries and belief!!!

If these people are in GTMO is because they were in a compromising situation or they were linked somehow to terrorist’s activity. You do need to plant a bomb or to kill directly, you can provide other assistance to support and help terrorists!!! We are not a bloodsucker’s society that start to invade other countries for fun; we were pushed to go to war!!! Please could you stop with the f…….g crap about we do not know! Maybe you mean we do not want to know or recognize that there are plenty m……r f…....rs who hate US. period.. So spare me the goodwiil ambassador syndrome!!! Thank you! :dunno:

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@Sherman cv,

Foreign Policy Association: Although efforts have been made to
bolster intelligence since 9/11, many claim that fighting poverty and
corruption are the best tactics in fighting terrorism. You have been in this
business for 21 years. Where should intelligence rank in the current war on
terrorism?

Robert Baer: I happen to agree. My personal opinion is that it should
be second. Second to a political solution in the Middle East, between Israel
and Palestine. Implementation of 242, the UN resolution. Those
governments in the Gulf are corrupt. They are stealing 30 or 40 percent of
the oil wealth. It's not getting down to the people in the streets. As long as
there is this disparity between the rulership and the people, you are going
to have unhappy people, and we as Americans are going to get blamed,
even though you and I know that that is not what we want to see in those
governments, Saudi Arabia especially. We are still going to get blamed. We
are looked at as what keeps those governments propped up. Of course,
that's a mistake, but we have to consider the people on the ground and
what they are thinking. It should be second. We cannot fight this war, the
CIA cannot fight it alone, unless there is a political solution.

read it, and consider it
http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/topics_info_show.htm?doc_id=100339

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@oleo,

oleo;6029 wrote:

Spoken like a true Nazi soldier.

Stuping to our level are we?

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@Sherman cv,

Libbys have a problem lookin at the world go by as they watch.

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