Mosaic 4,000 Dead

Did you see in one of "my" post that suggested that the men who fought wars were manipulated? No. That was "your" word.
My words may be incoherent to you as you seem to be mixed up. go back, "slowly read" who said what.

I will agree that action in Iraq has nothing to do with the freedoms America enjoys. Nor did Korea, Viet Nam or Bosnia.
I will state however that as an American who does enjoy these freedoms, I have no problem with helping other nations in efforts to maintain or create democracy.
I know that statement will open a can of worms for you. But what the heck.

the problem is that you're trying to make this about all wars when it simply isn't. We were talking about Iraq.

The men who fight in Iraq are actually only the second time in America's history to fight as 100% "volunteers".
I will concede one issue for you. Manipulated is actually the appropriate word to use in all conflicts. Commanders do manipulate troops. However, when volunteering for duty, though you'd like to paint them as poor little stupid victims, know that the U.S. military means war. They know they have no say in what war.

The manipulation comes into play when men are lead to believe they are fighting for REASON A instead of the hidden political REASON B. This is what is happening with the Iraq war, with soldiers who think this war is about fighting terrorists when it is not. That is the difference between the Iraq war and WWII.

Soldiers do not, never have, never will nor should get options to decide where and when they do the duty.
They were not duped. They know their mission is to stabilize Iraq after that government did not follow the U.N. sanctions. Whats wrong is that no one expected it to take so long and it would not have had Al Queda not joined the party.

Wrong,

1. The majority of Americans including those in the armed forces believed we were going to fight the terrorists, most Americans believed that we went into Iraq as retribution for 9/11.
2. I almost guarantee you if you ask a soldier why he signed up one of the reasons will NOT be because he wanted to help stabilize Iraq. This is where the misinformation/manipulation comes into play.

1. So say 'you".

so says statistics.

Which left wing website would you be referring to?
Or does the government poll the soldiers for their approval?

not approval but beliefs concerning Saddam/9-11 connection.

i believe it was on CNN.

The government does not poll troops for approval or beliefs.

CNN does not have access to enough troops to make any legitimate claim.

Did i not say AVERAGE AMERICAN? Or do you have problems comprehending?

Wrong, The majority of Americans .......[SIZE="3"]including those in the armed forces[/SIZE]........ believed we were going to fight the terrorists, most Americans believed that we went into Iraq as retribution for 9/11. I almost guarantee you if you ask a soldier why he signed up one of the reasons will NOT be because he wanted to help stabilize Iraq. This is where the misinformation/manipulation comes into play.

No. You said the majority of Americans followed by "including those in the armed forces".
There are times when I struggle with comprehension. But, since all either of us needed to do was scroll up a few post, it didn't seem to be a problem. I won't end by attempting to insult you however.

Many average Americans are in the armed forces.

Like I said, CNN does not have adequate access to enough combat troops to be in a position to poll them on their feelings concerning why they are there. If CNN claims to have that knowledge, it brings into question their integrity concerning other issues.

Head + desk

If you poll average americans you will inevitably being polling those who serve and those who will serve.