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Israeli media reports Syria prepping for war

 
 
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 07:45 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;29691 wrote:
We have to give up the fantasy that residential, liberal, political forces in Muslim countries can topple their theocratic tyrannies. They can't. Primitive, fundamentalist Islam is simply too strong throughout the Islamic world to be overthrown internally. External attacks are the only option. That's yet another reason why America's deposition of Saddam Hussien was inevitable. Iran is next.


do u think Saddam is an example of Primitive fundamentalis Islam as u say? better think again, he was the most secular regimes in the islamic world, one more thing except for ksa and Sudan(even Sudan's government isnot realistically Islamic nor KSA's its elements within both that are extremists) all other regimes are secular , Syria for example , remmeber Hafiz Alassad? he tortured murdered islamist in the country from first to last day of his rule, he actually ordered the army to drive (forcefully) into three cities known for their islamic background, atleast 300,000 people died on those days, egypt known as secular and the first to sign peace deal with Israel , algeria secular government fighting islamic movements, same as morroco kingdom , tunisia and lebanon possibly the most westernized countries of the middle east, u know about turkey, so we are left with Iran, Sudan, KSA in my point of view these are the only nations which have the biggest number of islamic elements in their governments,
1- if u look at KSA u must differentiate between the ruling family and the connections (or ties ) they have with the wahhaby movement, its the wahaby movement that supported abdulaziz to establish the kingdom, and rule it in-exchange for letting them (the wahabies) handle whatever got to do with religion in the country, it is my belief that the ruling family wouldnot dare oppress the wahaby movement (regardless of international pressure to do so) because they WILL lose the kingdom to riots and demonstrations.
2- If u look at Sudan when this military came to power in 1989 they were extremist , and tried to portray what they are doing as islamizing every aspect of life, but in 1999 the military wing(represented by albasheer todays presedent) of the government took out the civilian (ideological) part (represented by alturabi) which is the extremist element in the government , today extremists in the government are quite rare , but still hold some high places.

3- Iran is an old story u all know about it, Shiaa muslims control the country and government, trying to gather fluence over the whole region.

P.S. i read about a presidential candidate that has recently publicly stated that Mecca and Medina should be nuked if america is attacked , can u blame the Iranian president for saying he wants to wipe Israel of the face of the earth when this has been said by ur own president might be?
RedOct
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 10:42 am
@Drnaline,
Always remember the year 1979 - when the US created Islamic extremism to fight a 9-year long jihad in Afghanistan and to destabilize the Muslim-majority USSR republics - most know such republics to exist in the south, but there are Tatarstan and Bashkortostan at the same latitude as Moscow, sandwitched between Moscow and Siberia. Prior to this most anti-US Muslim leaders were secular and Socialists, such as Bhutto of Pakistan, Mujib of Bangladesh, Qadafi of Libya, Saddam of Iraq, Arafat of PLO, Assad Sr. of Syria, etc.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 11:24 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;29805 wrote:
do u think Saddam is an example of Primitive fundamentalis Islam as u say? better think again, he was the most secular regimes in the islamic world, one more thing except for ksa and Sudan(even Sudan's government isnot realistically Islamic nor KSA's its elements within both that are extremists) all other regimes are secular , Syria for example , remmeber Hafiz Alassad? he tortured murdered islamist in the country from first to last day of his rule, he actually ordered the army to drive (forcefully) into three cities known for their islamic background, atleast 300,000 people died on those days, egypt known as secular and the first to sign peace deal with Israel , algeria secular government fighting islamic movements, same as morroco kingdom , tunisia and lebanon possibly the most westernized countries of the middle east, u know about turkey, so we are left with Iran, Sudan, KSA in my point of view these are the only nations which have the biggest number of islamic elements in their governments,
1- if u look at KSA u must differentiate between the ruling family and the connections (or ties ) they have with the wahhaby movement, its the wahaby movement that supported abdulaziz to establish the kingdom, and rule it in-exchange for letting them (the wahabies) handle whatever got to do with religion in the country, it is my belief that the ruling family wouldnot dare oppress the wahaby movement (regardless of international pressure to do so) because they WILL lose the kingdom to riots and demonstrations.
2- If u look at Sudan when this military came to power in 1989 they were extremist , and tried to portray what they are doing as islamizing every aspect of life, but in 1999 the military wing(represented by albasheer todays presedent) of the government took out the civilian (ideological) part (represented by alturabi) which is the extremist element in the government , today extremists in the government are quite rare , but still hold some high places.

3- Iran is an old story u all know about it, Shiaa muslims control the country and government, trying to gather fluence over the whole region.

P.S. i read about a presidential candidate that has recently publicly stated that Mecca and Medina should be nuked if america is attacked , can u blame the Iranian president for saying he wants to wipe Israel of the face of the earth when this has been said by ur own president might be?


I don't give a chit, and neither should America. SH was just another barbaric Arab in a human sea of barbarism, cutting off heads and limbs, lavishly torturing and killing his way to the surface. He's dead now, thank God, and many, many more of his brethren need to be snuffed out as well, for the good of humanity. Stop over-analyzing this crap and deluding yourself. You want desperately to project yourself onto our savage-Muslim enemy, which is pure folly. He's a beast in human skin, and must be hunted down and killed without mercy. :headbang:
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 03:45 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;29737 wrote:
How am I going to do it? Well.......err......I guess with my guns, asthmatic kick-boxing, limited Jujitsu knowledge,kniv es, and maybe even my bow and arrow, if the fighting gets really nasty. Beyond that, dunno.:dunno:


we know your not gonna overthrow iran yourself pino,your more of a internet rambo ! but how exactly would you go about it ?
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 03:50 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;29738 wrote:
:thumbup: Right on. :thumbup:


your not to keen on democracy pino,are you ?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 06:55 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;29891 wrote:
we know your not gonna overthrow iran yourself pino,your more of a internet rambo ! but how exactly would you go about it ?


Bomb the crap out of Tehran, where most of the population lives. Drop little green and brown men with painted faces, demolitions, knives and fancy machineguns on the nuke sites. Obliterate the Iranian military, through bombing. Be merciless. End the tyranny of Shia terrorism once and for all time. Essentially, erase Iran from the map.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 06:58 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;29892 wrote:
your not to keen on democracy pino,are you ?


No. It works for some people, but not at all for others. Some cultures are just too screwed up to cope with democracy. Just as some people are too screwed up to handle personal freedom and responsibility, some cultures are too backward, violent and chaotic to do the same.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:43 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;29929 wrote:
No. It works for some people, but not at all for others. Some cultures are just too screwed up to cope with democracy. Just as some people are too screwed up to handle personal freedom and responsibility, some cultures are too backward, violent and chaotic to do the same.


you mean it works for the ones that suit the USA,and what they think is acceptable or right ! toe the line or else ! so too speak ?
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:44 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;29928 wrote:
Bomb the crap out of Tehran, where most of the population lives. Drop little green and brown men with painted faces, demolitions, knives and fancy machineguns on the nuke sites. Obliterate the Iranian military, through bombing. Be merciless. End the tyranny of Shia terrorism once and for all time. Essentially, erase Iran from the map.


so that is what you think should happen pino ! BOMB THE LOT OF THEM !
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tvsej
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:46 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;29928 wrote:
Bomb the crap out of Tehran, where most of the population lives. Drop little green and brown men with painted faces, demolitions, knives and fancy machineguns on the nuke sites. Obliterate the Iranian military, through bombing. Be merciless. End the tyranny of Shia terrorism once and for all time. Essentially, erase Iran from the map.


Funny thats almost word for word what the Iranian president said about Israel.
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RedOct
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 11:09 am
@Drnaline,
Hiiiii
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 02:27 pm
@RedOct,
RedOct;30017 wrote:
Pino, money talks! Now, those willing to pay for an Iran war thru hiked federal income taxes raise your hands.

A crashing dollar indicates that dollar hegemony scheme is too saturated to support the dollar, so Fed cannot just keep printing dollars, hoping they would be absorbed by the globalization (ever wondered what globalization was all about?) Many fear that the US will default even on the interest it pays on it's treasury securities - let alone reedem the securities - so war cannot be financed by incurring further debt. So, raising taxes is the only remaining option. Raising taxes at a point when the mortgage melt down is spreading, and the US is expected to enter a recession later this year - unless it's already there - can be devestating.

Russian bombers are entering Alaskan and British airspace. Yesterday, 2 flew over Guam, a US possession in the Pacific. One dropped a bomb in Georgia (a former USSR republic which hosts a US military base) a couple of days ago. Apparently, everyone is seeing how strapped the US has become.


Russia couldn't organize a ham sandwhich right now.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2007 07:50 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;30058 wrote:
Russia couldn't organize a ham sandwhich right now.


you couldnt be further from the truth,russia after the collapse of the SOVIET UNION,was in a mess,but it is not anymore,it has huge oil and gas supplies,and is now a power to be reckoned with again>
tvsej
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2007 01:27 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;30156 wrote:
you couldnt be further from the truth,russia after the collapse of the SOVIET UNION,was in a mess,but it is not anymore,it has huge oil and gas supplies,and is now a power to be reckoned with again>


you are right about that! They have more oil and natural gas than any of the Middle East or the US, untouched, it just won't be worth a dam in most of Europe, China will be needing it. Russia is on the way up, we won't be driving the bus much longer I'm afraid.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2007 03:20 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;30156 wrote:
you couldnt be further from the truth,russia after the collapse of the SOVIET UNION,was in a mess,but it is not anymore,it has huge oil and gas supplies,and is now a power to be reckoned with again>


Granted......lots of oil reserves. Its handling of the Chechnyan war was a dismal mess that screwed up the entire nation many times worse than Vietnam hosed over American society. Their own corruption within the army was the key issue. Some commanders actually sold their conscripted troops to the Muslim enemy. What kind of 'force-to-be-reckoned-with' does that?

PS: You typical Commie, you. What did Russia or the USSR ever do, militarily, without massive, gut-wrenching, often needless human sacrifice? When?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2007 03:26 pm
@tvsej,
tvsej;30274 wrote:
you are right about that! They have more oil and natural gas than any of the Middle East or the US, untouched, it just won't be worth a dam in most of Europe, China will be needing it. Russia is on the way up, we won't be driving the bus much longer I'm afraid.


Not true. They're second in the world, by a considerable margin, to the Middle East.
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2007 09:54 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;30286 wrote:
Granted......lots of oil reserves. Its handling of the Chechnyan war was a dismal mess that screwed up the entire nation many times worse than Vietnam hosed over American society. Their own corruption within the army was the key issue. Some commanders actually sold their conscripted troops to the Muslim enemy. What kind of 'force-to-be-reckoned-with' does that?

PS: You typical Commie, you. What did Russia or the USSR ever do, militarily, without massive, gut-wrenching, often needless human sacrifice? When?


"you typical commie,you" why ? because i said russia is a force to be reckoned with,and wont be pushed around ! "what did RUSSIA or the USSR ever do militarily,without massive,gut wrenching,often needless human sacrifice" they won the war on the eastern front,against the germans,pino,which was crucial,in the war in europe.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2007 10:21 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;30374 wrote:
"you typical commie,you" why ? because i said russia is a force to be reckoned with,and wont be pushed around ! "what did RUSSIA or the USSR ever do militarily,without massive,gut wrenching,often needless human sacrifice" they won the war on the eastern front,against the germans,pino,which was crucial,in the war in europe.


Yeah...but at what horrific cost. Do you have any idea what the madman and your idol, Joseph Stalin, did to the USSR in times surrounding the war? Do you have any idea as to how horrifically the Russians got their raw butts stomped by the Krauts up until Stalingrad? Stalin threw away entire divisions of men out his incompetence and cruelty. RUSSIA SUCKS AND COULDN'T FIND ITS BUTT WITH BOTH HANDS TAPED TO IT. It's always been the 'Sick Man' of Europe.:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2007 10:26 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;30391 wrote:
Yeah...but at what horrific cost. Do you have any idea what the madman and your idol, Joseph Stalin, did to the USSR in times surrounding the war? Do you have any idea as to how horrifically the Russians got their raw butts stomped by the Krauts up until Stalingrad? Stalin threw away entire divisions of men out his incompetence and cruelty. RUSSIA SUCKS AND COULDN'T FIND ITS BUTT WITH BOTH HANDS TAPED TO IT.:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


my hero ! dont talk crap pino,stalin like hitler,was an evil bastard ! the russians were fighting for their survival during the second world war,they defeated the germans on the eastern front,yes with horrific casualties,as i said before,both men were evil bastards !
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Red cv
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2007 11:09 am
@Drnaline,
I have always wondered why France didn't interject and help Russia out with the Germans? It could of prevented so much blood shed. Sorry musing of the muddled.
 

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