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Militants do prefer democrats

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oleo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 05:45 pm
@Drnaline,
Our advantage point?

The situation in that country is deteriorating daily.

We aren't "winning" in any sense of the word.

The government there is turning to Iran and Syria for help stabilizing the
country.

It's a full-blown civil war by most accounts, and if we stay in the middle of a
civil war do we pick a side?

The Shi'ites, who are aligned with/influenced by Iran?
The Sunnis, who are aligned with/influenced by Al Qaeda?

which of those two is the side we should put our stock in?
Do we help them "cleanse" the country of the other side if they win?
How do we explain making an allegiance with agents of Iran?
or Al Qaeda?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 04:12 pm
@oleo,
oleo;8267 wrote:
Our advantage point?

The situation in that country is deteriorating daily.

We aren't "winning" in any sense of the word.

The government there is turning to Iran and Syria for help stabilizing the
country.

It's a full-blown civil war by most accounts, and if we stay in the middle of a
civil war do we pick a side?

The Shi'ites, who are aligned with/influenced by Iran?
The Sunnis, who are aligned with/influenced by Al Qaeda?

which of those two is the side we should put our stock in?
Do we help them "cleanse" the country of the other side if they win?
How do we explain making an allegiance with agents of Iran?
or Al Qaeda?
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Our advantage point?

Vantage point.
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The situation in that country is deteriorating daily.

At the beheast of who?
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The government there is turning to Iran and Syria for help stabilizing the
country.

So are the Liberals in this country, have you read the ISG report? Even tumble wants Bush to put aside his ego and sell out Isreal.
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It's a full-blown civil war by most accounts, and if we stay in the middle of a
civil war do we pick a side?
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The Shi'ites, who are aligned with/influenced by Iran?
The Sunnis, who are aligned with/influenced by Al Qaeda?

All are terrorists or there supporters, how does that equate to a civil war? If these terrorist factions were not around what would come of your civil war? Iraq would be a pretty civil place is my guess.
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which of those two is the side we should put our stock in?

Neither. You?
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Do we help them "cleanse" the country of the other side if they win?

No we cleanse the country of terrorist groups.
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How do we explain making an allegiance with agents of Iran?
or Al Qaeda?

We won't unless some libbys get there way. ISG any one?
oleo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 03:35 pm
@Drnaline,
well, here:

Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte Blocks CIA Analysis of Iraq “Civil War”

...despite the deteriorating situation in Iraq, no National Intelligence
Estimate (NIE) has been produced on that country since the summer of
2004.

“What do you call the situation in Iraq right now?” asked one person
familiar with the situation. “The analysts know that it's a civil war, but there's
a feeling at the top that [using that term] will complicate matters.”
Negroponte, said another source regarding the potential impact of a
pessimistic assessment, “doesn't want the president to have to deal with that.”

“[The administration] can call it whatever they want,” said the former CIA
officer. “There's a civil war going on in Iraq.”

Then there's this:

Iraqi civil war has already begun, U.S. troops say
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oleo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 03:39 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;8279 wrote:
All are terrorists or there supporters, how does that equate to a civil war? If these terrorist factions were not around what would come of your civil war? Iraq would be a pretty civil place is my guess.


Your guess is just that, and it's a uninformed guess that takes into account
neither history or a knowledge of the relations between the several different
groups in Iraq. It's a guess that's wrong, as proved by the fact that the
administration foolishly made the same blunder.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 04:13 pm
@oleo,
oleo;8328 wrote:
Your guess is just that, and it's a uninformed guess that takes into account
neither history or a knowledge of the relations between the several different
groups in Iraq. It's a guess that's wrong, as proved by the fact that the
administration foolishly made the same blunder.
Which ones do you think are not terrorists? Are you the same person that says we don't know **** about them (yourself included) but will also say its a missinformed blunder (in your eyes) turns into a fact because of your opinion on the subject? What's your opinion of the new Rep Reyes, Chair of the house inteligence committee, does he know the difference? Will he be wrong in his judgements?
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oleo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 04:20 pm
@oleo,
Yeah, he'll screw it up as much as the previous guys, probably. All of that
goes to point out that maybe we shouldn't be there.

Time will reveal invading Iraq to be one of the greatest mistakes an American
administration ever made, and we're just beginning to notice the tears in
the delicate fabric that holds the middle-east somewhat togther instead of in
all out chaos across the region.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 04:30 pm
@Drnaline,
We shouldn't but we are there.
Time may also reveil some totally different. What do you think holds the middle east together. Faith, secaterianizm, islamofasiam?
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