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Affirmative Actions days are numbered

 
 
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 3 Dec, 2006 11:06 am
@Drnaline,
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Why would you assume that? Would it be that since I would "fit in" or seem to
with the group that is in the overwhelming majority population-wise and power-wise
in this country that would be an advantage?

It undeniably is, and that's the reason for Affirmative Action programs.

I'm proud of my heritage, and anyone who knows me even casually knows about
it. I could use my percentage of african-american, native american and maybe even hispanic to get some "special consideration" or bonus points, but I don't.
My parents both got Master's Degrees, I didn't have a deprived childhood. I'm
not one of the people those considerations were meant for, because my
background put me on an even playing field with the average American, or
actually maybe a little higher than that according to statistics I've read about
education and stuff on average. Great, so now I sound like a snob...

IMO you've never had to use your ethniticity because you look white. Directly or indirectly taking advantage of its effects whether you new about it or not.

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As for the example you sited, it's a contractor working for the airport in SF,
which is a government facility which makes them a government contractor
which makes them subject to the quotas.

Good ole discrimination at it's finest. What about when that contractor has work for non governmental jobs. Can he fired the people he was forced to hire? Or have quota contract employee's?
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Anti-Affirmative Action movements kind of crack me up, because they have to rest on the arguement that White Americans are being victimized, so the
people using this arguement have to be exactly what they're claiming to
be fighting. The majority group being mistreated by the establishment that
is elected by the majority group.

So it's ok for who you feel is oppressed to use that arguement but not the ones it's being protrayed against now?
oleo
 
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Reply Sun 3 Dec, 2006 11:38 am
@Drnaline,
You seem to miss that I'm essentially agreeing with you, that Affirmative Action
should be retooled to help a bigger group who need help regardless of race. I'm
just disagreeing with the reason you cited, because in my experience it isn't
true. There is much more evidence of the "good ole boy" network giving an
advantage to the same contractors over and over and over again than reverse
discrimination being this insurmountable problem.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 3 Dec, 2006 11:58 am
@oleo,
oleo;7770 wrote:
Actually, Drnaline, here's another Shelby Steele-written article that makes
your arguement pretty effectively, from a black perspective, and concludes with
what I was saying about finding a way to help disadvantaged people regardless of race.

Debate Topics: Affirmative Action

So, I will agree that Affirmative Action can be harmful to minorities.
I don't agree that it is that harmful to white Americans, because they are
so many options and opportunities available to them.
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I don't agree that it is that harmful to white Americans, because they are
so many options and opportunities available to them

What of America's so called white trailer trash? Disadvantanged and the rules are set up against them.

Both links you posted a very good reading, that Steele dude is one smart feller. Regardless of his color.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 3 Dec, 2006 12:00 pm
@oleo,
oleo;7786 wrote:
You seem to miss that I'm essentially agreeing with you, that Affirmative Action
should be retooled to help a bigger group who need help regardless of race. I'm
just disagreeing with the reason you cited, because in my experience it isn't
true. There is much more evidence of the "good ole boy" network giving an
advantage to the same contractors over and over and over again than reverse
discrimination being this insurmountable problem.
I know your agreeing with me. I agree with you that it shoud be economic based.
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