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The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness

 
 
Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 10:12 pm
@oleo,
oleo;8425 wrote:
Okay, someone wrote a book about that already...

Really, though, I'm tired of having to drag the baggage of liberalism from
40 years ago around.

What worked worked, what didn't didn't. Let it all go.
LOL, your on a role.
All i can say is, what you expect of others will be asked of you and probably held to a higher standard. IMO if you don't like dragging the baggage, stop asking others who you discuss this with to do the same. If you do not ask it of them chance's are they will not ask it of you.
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markx15
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:12 am
@Drnaline,
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Right, they should, and so should the evangelicals and pentecostals.


It's called open-mindedness he seems to have forgotten his. You have always seemed open-minded to me, but that doesn't mean that you can't defend a point of view which you believe to be better fundamented. How can there be a discussion if you don't?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 01:06 am
@markx15,
markx15;8451 wrote:
It's called open-mindedness he seems to have forgotten his. You have always seemed open-minded to me, but that doesn't mean that you can't defend a point of view which you believe to be better fundamented. How can there be a discussion if you don't?
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It's called open-mindedness he seems to have forgotten his.
On that point he sure did.
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You have always seemed open-minded to me, but that doesn't mean that you can't defend a point of view which you believe to be better fundamented. How can there be a discussion if you don't?
My point exactly.
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GeeWBushinator
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 05:52 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;8157 wrote:
So what about the Greeks, Germans, Japanese, South Koreans, Canadian, Mexicans and every other country on this planet that is either democratic or a republic? The idea must work for it to be as prodominant as it is.

That's where we differ. And alot of countrys would also say different. The ones that have accepted it have propered. New example would be Poland. In fact here's a list.
Made in Democracies - List of Democratic Countries

I didn't need nor have assets, just the opportunity. That's what we are offering.

Your right, it's just a notion. But a very powerfull one. One that has brought us to who we are today, and we brought along some friends. We can also afford to dish it out to half a starving world. All through that notion, amazing!

Where did you get that as the point of the article? Have you read the book, does it say some where in there that the author is "conservative" Or are you doing what you accuse me of, "instant rejection
of notions you brand conservative?"
There may be some debate as to how things are but i have not many doubts of how you want things to be.


Greeks, Germans, Japanese, South Koreans, Canadian, Mexicans [SIZE="3"]Greece were not a democracy. It was ruled by it's military. Germany was a military dictatorship. South Korea is an American satellite nation. Canada is a socialist country. Mexico is a military dictatorship. Cuba is a military dictatorship. The Soviet Union was a military dictatorship. China is a military dictatorship. AND finally the US is a Republic where you vote for a rich guy or a rich guy to be your leader. No democracy in the world anywhere.[/SIZE]
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 11:41 am
@Drnaline,
Which political doctrine do you fall under?
GeeWBushinator
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 12:16 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;8733 wrote:
Which political doctrine do you fall under?


[SIZE="2"]True communism in it's purest sense. It has never been tried except in certain sectors of society, although the Mennonite community comes the closest. Greed decides this will never happen in the world anywhere.[/SIZE]
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 05:59 pm
@Drnaline,
Do you think true communism would save the world? Do you practice true communism, or do you operate in a capitolistic world and talk of better ways and days?
GeeWBushinator
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 06:30 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;8784 wrote:
Do you think true communism would save the world? Do you practice true communism, or do you operate in a capitolistic world and talk of better ways and days?


Within the current boundaries of mankind, it is impossible to practice communism. Like I said, the closest the world has ever came to communism, is the Mennonites, and greed gets in their way too. They are all in it together, but women are considered possessions, like cattle. How could I practice communism by myself? Communism, is a group/country, whereas the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the one. Impossible to practice by yourself. Unless the communism you speak of is the hocus pocus BS preached by US political leaders for centuries, to justify the creation of more and more weapons of mass destruction, to make rich corporations richer. You know, the ol' "fear those evil Commies" lines that were preached at the same time as "duck and cover to protect from radiation fallout".
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 09:09 pm
@Drnaline,
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Within the current boundaries of mankind, it is impossible to practice communism.

So how is it you fall under the doctrine but you do not partice? Don't you mean it is impossible to practice on a large scale?
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Like I said, the closest the world has ever came to communism, is the Mennonites, and greed gets in their way too.

Is there anyone on this planet that is not subject to greed? That's one of the main reasons i think communism will not work.
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How could I practice communism by myself?

Same way you would practice it with a whole community or country.
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Communism, is a group/country, whereas the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the one.

How are the needs of the many gotten if not taken away from the one?
That one, must pick up the slack for the many. You must work harder and if you have more then you need you should give it to the state for redistribution. I assume you do not do so now, why?
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Impossible to practice by yourself.

How do you know? Impossible i think not. If you do not start how do you expect others to follow?
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Unless the communism you speak of is the hocus pocus BS preached by US political leaders for centuries, to justify the creation of more and more weapons of mass destruction, to make rich corporations richer.

From what i've heard, communism comes from the sacrifice of the one. Hocus Pokus is about all it's worth if no one is will to participate. BS is how they get people in on the band wagon. Look at how many soviets got dupped. Did they know it wouldn't work? Probably.
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You know, the ol' "fear those evil Commies" lines that were preached at the same time as "duck and cover to protect from radiation fallout".

With help from Castro that fear almost came to be. If he had his way, you nor i would be here.
Bean cv
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 06:19 am
@Drnaline,
I don't see any evidence for any of the accusations and assumptions that the author of this book is making in this excerpt. Either the excerpt is missing crucial parts or the author didn't do a very good job.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 07:37 am
@Drnaline,
You shouldn't judge a book by it's cover or excepts. They are not accuation or assumptions, they are observations by a person who is trained to study such things. The book itself is very extensive.
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Bean cv
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 08:08 am
@Drnaline,
Just my observation. Don't mean any offense, but in order to better represent the book a better excerpt could have been posted. It could be a very interesting book, idk. As it is, I have way too many unread books on my shelves already though.
GeeWBushinator
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 08:31 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;8829 wrote:
So how is it you fall under the doctrine but you do not partice? Don't you mean it is impossible to practice on a large scale?

Is there anyone on this planet that is not subject to greed? That's one of the main reasons i think communism will not work.

Same way you would practice it with a whole community or country.

How are the needs of the many gotten if not taken away from the one?
That one, must pick up the slack for the many. You must work harder and if you have more then you need you should give it to the state for redistribution. I assume you do not do so now, why?

How do you know? Impossible i think not. If you do not start how do you expect others to follow?

From what i've heard, communism comes from the sacrifice of the one. Hocus Pokus is about all it's worth if no one is will to participate. BS is how they get people in on the band wagon. Look at how many soviets got dupped. Did they know it wouldn't work? Probably.

With help from Castro that fear almost came to be. If he had his way, you nor i would be here.

With help from Castro? LOL! That, my friend is an old wive's tale, told by US political leaders. Castro? Of course you must be talking about the old fable of the evil commies putting nukes in Cuba and good ol' saviour JFK threatening to use nukes if they weren't moved? It's called hogwash history. What US "historians" fail to tell in that commie scenario, is that it was the US that instigated that mess, not Castro and not the Soviet Union. Did you not know that the pretend implementation of nukes in Cuba, was a direct response to the US putting nukes in Europe, and pointing them at the Soviets a few years earlier? Do you not remember, the US doing everything in it's power, both legal, and illegal and immoral, to try to conquer Cuba, with nothing working? Do you not recall Northwoods? Look it up on Google. It will show you the lengths the US government was willing to take, including killing their own people, to justify a Cuban invasion.

As for the rest of your reply. You seem to be in that false category that the Soviets were communist. They weren't, so whether their people were "duped" is open to interpretation. How do I practice communism? It's called the tax system, where the poor, or less off, give more proportionately, than the rich, so yes, I give more than say, Haliburton, George W, or DeadEye Dick Cheney does. One place I will agree with you, is yes, communism in it's purest definition would never happen due to human greed. That is also the reason democracy will not.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 10:11 pm
@Bean cv,
Bean;8905 wrote:
Just my observation. Don't mean any offense, but in order to better represent the book a better excerpt could have been posted. It could be a very interesting book, idk. As it is, I have way too many unread books on my shelves already though.
Agreed, but a link was included for the reader to wonder. I to have unread books, i tend to do most my reading online.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 10:41 pm
@Drnaline,
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With help from Castro? LOL! That, my friend is an old wive's tale, told by US political leaders. Castro? Of course you must be talking about the old fable of the evil commies putting nukes in Cuba and good ol' saviour JFK threatening to use nukes if they weren't moved?

Are you of the opinion that Cuba didn't have Nukes pointed at us miles off our shore?
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It's called hogwash history. What US "historians" fail to tell in that commie scenario, is that it was the US that instigated that mess, not Castro and not the Soviet Union. Did you not know that the pretend implementation of nukes in Cuba, was a direct response to the US putting nukes in Europe, and pointing them at the Soviets a few years earlier?

I think your leaving out alot as to why we were obligde to put them in europe, did you forget the cold war? Airlifting food to a stranded Germany. All there aggressive moves in western europe.

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Do you not remember, the US doing everything in it's power, both legal, and illegal and immoral, to try to conquer Cuba, with nothing working? Do you not recall Northwoods? Look it up on Google. It will show you the lengths the US government was willing to take, including killing their own people, to justify a Cuban invasion.


Being a tirant has it's advantages. If we would of tried conquering Cuba they would all be speaking english.
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Do you not recall Northwoods? Look it up on Google. It will show you the lengths the US government was willing to take, including killing their own people, to justify a Cuban invasion.

That is nothing, we are willing to go alot further. Would you consider killing a home grown terrorist, "killing our own?"
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As for the rest of your reply. You seem to be in that false category that the Soviets were communist. They weren't, so whether their people were "duped" is open to interpretation.

I thought we were talking about communism, of which they did practice. Millions of people though it was a better way when Markx and Stalin were preaching there new found religion. It worked great for them fighting wars, it worked great for the higherups trying to keep there people down.
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How do I practice communism? It's called the tax system, where the poor, or less off, give more proportionately, than the rich, so yes, I give more than say, Haliburton, George W, or DeadEye Dick Cheney does.

More proportionate, good one. If they didn't take it out of your check to begin with how much would you give on social programs? Statistically not as much as you'd l;ike us to believe.
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One place I will agree with you, is yes, communism in it's purest definition would never happen due to human greed. That is also the reason democracy will not.

IMO, democracy has a better track record.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2007 01:04 pm
@Drnaline,
If humanity has any chance of surviving itself, it's in humanism. :FU1:
oleo
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jan, 2007 08:56 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;8980 wrote:
If humanity has any chance of surviving itself, it's in humanism. :FU1:


Yes, that's true.

Then there's the whole notion that humanity, if it can't move toward surviving
itself, won't survive nature, because human activity disrupts nature, and like
any other force nature will adapt to insure its survival.

Can nature exist without humanity? Definitely.

Can humanity exist without nature? No.

Here's some fun reading: 20 ways the world could end

Being the secular humanist that I am, I believe what mankind has come to call "God" is
in fact nature. By putting a name on "him" and giving him residences (churches, mosques,
"heaven") they've missed the point. "God" is wherever people haven't interfered with "him"
(nature). When we destroy nature, which we don't seem to be able to do anything
without doing, we're destroying our maker, and that doesn't lead to a very good prospect
for the future.
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