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I think Ollie nails this one.

 
 
Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 08:53 pm
Townhall.com :: Columns :: Looking for leadership by Oliver North - Apr 14, 2006

BUCHAREST, Romania -- We came here to film a World War II documentary for FOX News and came away with a lesson in leadership.

T his capital was once at the far edge of the Roman Empire. After "The Great War," it was known as the "Paris of the East." During World War II, the city was hit by both American and German bombs -- and abandoned behind the "Iron Curtain" at war's end.

For nearly five decades, Romanians endured Stalinist repression. Bullet holes in buildings at city-center attest to the fury of their 1989 revolution, which bought freedom with blood. Today, the metropolis is teeming with sky cranes, heavy-duty investors, upscale hotels, classy boutiques, car dealerships and glistening new shopping malls with full parking lots. Yet, for all the modern appurtenances, it is also a city that bears the scars of what can happen when great powers fail to act greatly.


Romania's deposed monarch, King Michael -- the sole surviving head of state from World War II -- kindly granted us a lengthy interview for our "War Stories" series. What he and his people endured in the last century should serve to remind today's leaders of the horrific price paid when despots bent on tyranny go unchecked.

On Tuesday, when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- the wild-eyed, anti-Western, genocidal zealot who runs Iran -- announced that the Islamic Revolutionary Republic had successfully enriched uranium, people here in Romania began asking us, "What will America do to keep Iran from building a bomb?"

It's an understandable question in this East-West crossroads, where history has been such a tough teacher. For more than three years before Adolf Hitler plunged Europe into world war, no one did anything that mattered to prevent it. Winston Churchill's warnings went unheeded by Great Britain, France and the United States. Cases of Japanese, Italian and German aggression were referred to the League of Nations -- which dithered and did nothing. When the bloodletting began in earnest, Romanian dictator Ion Antonescu allied his country with the Axis because he believed Hitler would win. It was a disastrous decision.

By the summer of 1944, hundreds of thousands of Romanians were dead, wounded or prisoners of the Red Army. In August, young King Michael organized a coup, overthrew the fascists and joined the Allied cause. He begged for British or American help to save his country from the Soviets -- only to learn that President Franklin Roosevelt had already decided not to oppose Stalin's plans for invasion and occupation.

Historians ought to be loathe to play "what if" with the facts of the past. But present day events beg the questions: What might have happened if the United States, Britain and France had stood together in 1936 and insisted that Hitler cease rearming? In March of 1938, would the Fuhrer have desisted from his Austrian Anschluss if the United States had stood in opposition? Could Romania, now a NATO ally, have been spared a half-century of repression? King Michael put it this way: "If only Roosevelt had told Stalin 'no' -- we would have been spared."

Like the events of the 1930s and '40s, Ahmadinejad's quest for nuclear weapons is a situation that cries out for resolute American leadership. Last week's announcement was made in front of a full bank of television cameras and the world media. The Iranian leader portrayed it as an achievement -- a source of national pride -- and went on to warn that any attempt to prevent their nuclear progress would "cause an everlasting hatred in the hearts of Iranians."

The next day, Ahmadinejad said: "Our answer to those who are angry about Iran achieving the full nuclear fuel cycle is just one phrase. We say: Be angry at us and die of this anger."

Until now, the United States has punted the question of Iranian nukes to the United Nations and the Europeans. They have failed. For three years, the British, French and Germans have tried negotiations. But in January, the Iranians walked away from the talks. In the aftermath of Ahmadinejad's chest-thumping, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that "the Security Council will need to take into consideration this move by Iran ... to make certain that we maintain the credibility of the international community on this issue." She is wrong. The international community has no credibility on this issue.

The U.N. Security Council has given Iran a deadline of April 28 to halt its enrichment process. But International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei, speaking in Tehran last week, said that there is "no great urgency in this new development." When America's U.N. Ambassador John Bolton suggested a Security Council resolution under Chapter 7 of the organization's charter, Russian ambassador Andrei Denisov said, "There is no reason for punitive measures yet."

How close is Iran to actually building a nuclear weapon? Stephen Rademaker, the assistant secretary of state for international security and nonproliferation, said it could take as little as 16 days. Other analysts believe it could take as long as 10 years. Assuming that the longer estimate is correct is both irresponsible and arrogant. India, Pakistan and North Korea all built bombs before anyone believed they could.

We can no longer afford to deal with Tehran through intermediaries and third parties. The United States must open direct, frank discussions with the Iranians -- to convince them, like Libya, that it is not in their interest to continue the pursuit of nuclear weapons. The United States has a full quiver of diplomatic, financial, trade and military options. Carefully and quietly articulating these to Iran is a high-risk strategy -- but not as dangerous as hoping that others will do what needs to be done.

Copyright ? 2006 Townhall.com

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Yeah it's one of those biased sources.
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tikala
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:17 am
@Drnaline,
Every country in the world has the right to use nuclear energy to replace oil and coal as electrical energy.
We Americans are now leaning more and more to add nuclear electricity plants.

Why can't Iran do the same thing?

Even if Iran wants to make nuclear bombs, it will takes many years to do it, they don't have the capacity and the material to make nuclear bombs today.

The notion that Iran definitely will make nuclear bombs is nothing but a cheap try of our beloved Dubya to boost his rating and the republicans' chances for the upcoming election.

China, Pakistan, India and North Korea already have nuclear bombs.
Why not make a case against those countries?

BTW, Israel has hundreds of those bombs already, thanks to the support of the USA.
Brent cv
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 12:45 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
Every country in the world has the right to use nuclear energy to replace oil and coal as electrical energy.
We Americans are now leaning more and more to add nuclear electricity plants.

Why can't Iran do the same thing?


Because Iran's leader is insane.

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Even if Iran wants to make nuclear bombs, it will takes many years to do it, they don't have the capacity and the material to make nuclear bombs today.


So? Ever heard of nipping a problem in the bud before it comes back and bites you?

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The notion that Iran definitely will make nuclear bombs is nothing but a cheap try of our beloved Dubya to boost his rating and the republicans' chances for the upcoming election.


The fact that Iran is not cooperating with any country and continues to defy the UN is reason to question their motives. The guy is a criminal and has lost his damn mind. Open your eyes and look past trying to make George Bush look bad and try to see a problem when it is staring you in the face.

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China, Pakistan, India and North Korea already have nuclear bombs.
Why not make a case against those countries?


They already have Nuclear bombs, therefore they are a superpower in that aspect and we do not have weight over there. Would you like the leader of Iran to become a superpower? Countries have more freedom when they have the power to level your largest city with one bomb.

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BTW, Israel has hundreds of those bombs already, thanks to the support of the USA.


Israel does not have a insane leader.

Why can people not grasp this? :beat:
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 01:41 pm
@Drnaline,
The only thing i would ad is the Iranians signed an agreement with the UN and quite a few other countrys saying they wouldn't do exactly what they are doing. This whole senario sounds alot like Iraq don't you think? I hope it ends up like Iraq as well, FREE.

Knock, knock, knockin on Irans front door, LOL!
tumbleweed cv
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 06:04 pm
@Drnaline,
I look for Israel to strike Iran first. They have no choice. I doubt other countries will assist in dealing with Iran. The IAEA is a joke, as well as the U.N.

The US is on it's own again.The scary part is Bush will be involved. At least with Isreal, they have enough military power to help us attack Iran.
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tikala
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 06:53 pm
@Brent cv,
To Brent,

>>Countries have more freedom when they have the power to level your largest city with one bomb<<

Well, Pakistan is a muslim country that already have those bombs and because the Pakistani dictator is good friends with Dubya he is not considered
"insane"
China and lately North Korea, both communist countries, have the power to use their bombs and according to your analysis they won't use it, but Iran who only have the potential to make a bomb will definitely use it...nipping a problem before it comes back and bite you...?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 07:03 pm
@Drnaline,
It's called pre-emptive.
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tikala
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 07:10 pm
@Brent cv,
To Brent,

>>Iran's leader is insane<<

So if they get another, new leader will it be okay?

Are you sure that 'new' leader will not be labeled insane too?
Brent cv
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 08:21 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
To Brent,

>>Iran's leader is insane<<

So if they get another, new leader will it be okay?

Are you sure that 'new' leader will not be labeled insane too?


No, but I am sure the current one is. :dunno:
Brent cv
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 08:24 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
To Brent,

>>Countries have more freedom when they have the power to level your largest city with one bomb<<

Well, Pakistan is a muslim country that already have those bombs and because the Pakistani dictator is good friends with Dubya he is not considered
"insane"


Pakistan has never called for the demise of America nor have the funded Hamas. His name is George W. Bush, not Dubya. That is childish and old. :beat:

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China and lately North Korea, both communist countries, have the power to use their bombs and according to your analysis they won't use it, but Iran who only have the potential to make a bomb will definitely use it...nipping a problem before it comes back and bite you...?


So because we screwed up and let China get Nukes we should screw up and let everyone get them? Please.... try again.
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tikala
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 06:47 am
@Brent cv,
>>No, but I'm sure the current one is<<

The Middle East is very volatile. Political leaders there can be assasinated any time, even the ones with backing from the US, like the Shah, Sadat and Rabin were murdered by their own people.

There is great chance that this "insane" Iranian guy will join those above mentioned sophisticated trio, and you'll be delighted and then you'll give the new Iranian leader your permission to have his nuclear bomb, n'est-ce pas?

>>His name is George W. Bush, not Dubya<<

I'll tell you what, I'll elevate his name to "Majesty", d'accord, mon ami?

Something else on your mind, your honor?
Brent cv
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 02:28 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:


The Middle East is very volatile. Political leaders there can be assasinated any time, even the ones with backing from the US, like the Shah, Sadat and Rabin were murdered by their own people.


Still... Israel as it is does not have an insane leader. Iran does.

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There is great chance that this "insane" Iranian guy will join those above mentioned sophisticated trio, and you'll be delighted and then you'll give the new Iranian leader your permission to have his nuclear bomb, n'est-ce pas?


No. Don't see that happening.

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I'll tell you what, I'll elevate his name to "Majesty", d'accord, mon ami?

Something else on your mind, your honor?


Nope, just figured if you are going to debate you would not want to sound like a 2 year old.
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tikala
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 06:57 pm
@Drnaline,
Mr. Administrator, your honor,

You have your opinion, I have mine.

"East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet"

Does it sound familiar?
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ndjs
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 09:49 pm
@Drnaline,
tikala, why the hell do you insist on being such a smartass?

Either you're being the biggest smartass you know how to be, or you're serious about all of this sucking up and calling us by all these important names because you finally realized that the French people owe the U.S.
tikala
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2006 05:39 am
@ndjs,
ndjs wrote:
tikala, why the hell do you insist on being such a smartass?

Either you're being the biggest smartass you know how to be, or you're serious about all of this sucking up and calling us by all these important names because you finally realized that the French people owe the U.S.



ndjs, Salut !

I don't think I realized that France owe the US something. Care to explain what France owe us?

What are the "important" names that I've been calling you guys? As far as I remember so far, this is the first time I'm addressing you/replying your message?

>Smartass?< Well it's better than Dubya's Awol-ass, n'est-ce pas, mon ami?
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ndjs
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2006 12:10 pm
@Drnaline,
I don't speak french, so I'm not going to try to respond to whatever you said.
Sorry if I only speak Spanish and the international language of business, aviation, engineering, and science among other things.

Maybe you aren't addressing me in particular, but being a smartass is being a smartass. I don't believe I said you were addressing me, because you weren't.

Here are some examples of you being a smartass in this thread, in case you forgot what you wrote.
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I'll tell you what, I'll elevate his name to "Majesty", d'accord, mon ami?

Something else on your mind, your honor?

Quote:
Mr. Administrator, your honor,


And as far as France owing the US (note that I take the time to even capitalize the F in France while you don't bother with capitalizing the U.S.), do they teach WWI and WWII in history classes there?
tikala
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2006 12:51 pm
@ndjs,
>>do they teach WWI and WWII in history classes there?<<

Maybe better than we teach ourselves history here in the US.
But what's your point about those wordlwar histories?

BTW you seem so sensitive about my typing or not capitalizing some words.
I apologize Miss or Mrs. or Mr. Smart Teacher...(I don't write smart'ass')
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ndjs
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2006 06:50 pm
@Drnaline,
It's just a matter of respect, of which you apparently have none.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2006 09:54 pm
@Drnaline,
Waiting and waiting, LOL.
ndjs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 01:33 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline wrote:
Waiting and waiting, LOL.

I think this fits on multiple levels.

http://www.mustangevolution.com/gallery/data/536/whiteflag.gif
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