DOES NOTHING EXIST???

@Chights47,

Chights47 wrote:

Then please explain which post you were referring to. As far as with you "maintaining the above" could you please explain as to how I am wrong specifically. I know you like to just repeat yourself over and over again buy I prefer that you correct what I've stated direct and explain what is wrong and how it's wrong. Anyone could say that someone is wrong but it means nothing unless valid specific reasons are provided.

In fact, my original post did reproduce the post I was referring to:

http://able2know.org/topic/152965-38#post-4642147

Anyway, what I am saying is that you insist in the unambiguity of the word "nothing" as if its ambiguity were a problem, when it is the answer. Besides, it is logically unavoidable: the word "nothing" means "no thing," hence "no being," hence "not each being," so "not each being" is "nothing," or nothing is not each being. So, by definition:

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Nothing is not each being.

Not each being is not each being.

Any being is any other being.

I have seen people here trying to "explain" or "interpret" (or even "discredit") the above, which is just missing it: what we have here is an extremely simple and rigorous reasoning showing that nothing is the same as everything, hence making everything into the same "thing" (nothing).

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@guigus,

What's your definition of "ambiguity" in regards to your post. I can speculate as to what the definition may be but I'd rather not get ahead of myself of have to place several different posts in regards to the various possible definitions. It honestly doesn't really matter though because regardless of what the definition is, there wouldn't be any point what-so-ever in discussing the topic further.

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@Chights47,

Chights47 wrote:

What's your definition of "ambiguity" in regards to your post. I can speculate as to what the definition may be but I'd rather not get ahead of myself of have to place several different posts in regards to the various possible definitions. It honestly doesn't really matter though because regardless of what the definition is, there wouldn't be any point what-so-ever in discussing the topic further.

The ambiguity of the word "nothing" consists in its meaning both "each being" and "not each being."

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@guigus,

guigus wrote:

The ambiguity of the word "nothing" consists in its meaning both "each being" and "not each being."

The big and really worthy question is how that is possible: all our discussion so far is just a prelude to that.

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@mark noble,

Consciousness exists

David

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@guigus,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRT7ofJIB2w&feature

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@Chights47,

Chights47 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRT7ofJIB2w&feature

How does that help you realize how nothing can be anything?

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@guigus,

Now when you put it like that it makes more sense. My post was random, it's just a current song that I like. So what you're trying to convey and explain is kind of like a lump of clay which can then be shaped and molded into various sculptures, vase, etc. but regardless of what we shape it into, it's still clay?

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@Chights47,

Chights47 wrote:

Now when you put it like that it makes more sense. My post was random, it's just a current song that I like. So what you're trying to convey and explain is kind of like a lump of clay which can then be shaped and molded into various sculptures, vase, etc. but regardless of what we shape it into, it's still clay?

Don't confuse your being unable to answer a question with its not making sense.

Nothing is everything, as I already showed you. And unless you prove me wrong, what remains is the question: how?

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@guigus,

guigus wrote:

Don't confuse your being unable to answer a question with its not making sense.

Nothing is everything, as I already showed you. And unless you prove me wrong, what remains is the question: how?

This is the reason why I think this whole thing is just a bunch of bull. If it weren't then how come you can't tell me how my attempts to understand what you're trying to convey are wrong rather than just saying they're wrong. What's wrong about it? All you do is repeat the same thing in a couple of different ways as if it's some kind of game to get a response. My analogy for "nothing is everything" does fit but you still allude to it being wrong yet there's no direction or explaination in how it's wrong.

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@Chights47,

Chights47 wrote:

guigus wrote:
Don't confuse your being unable to answer a question with its not making sense.

Nothing is everything, as I already showed you. And unless you prove me wrong, what remains is the question: how?
This is the reason why I think this whole thing is just a bunch of bull.

So everything you cannot explain is bull? That's a lot of bull...

guigus wrote:

If it weren't then how come you can't tell me how my attempts to understand what you're trying to convey are wrong rather than just saying they're wrong. What's wrong about it? All you do is repeat the same thing in a couple of different ways as if it's some kind of game to get a response. My analogy for "nothing is everything" does fit but you still allude to it being wrong yet there's no direction or explaination in how it's wrong.

The only way I have to show you this is no metaphor is by showing you how "everything" is by definition the same as "nothing"---which I already did, and more than once. But let us vary things a little: let us show, conversely, that being means nothingness:

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Being is all being.

Being is each being.

Each being is not all being.

Being is not being.

So either beginning with "nothing" or with "being," we arrive at the same conclusion: being and nothingness are the same---regardless of how this is possible, it must be.

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

As simple as that.........DOES NOTHING EXIST???

In your opinion - does nothing exist, has it ever existed, can it ever exist?

Just tell it as you see it! All are welcome to throw it out there.

Thank you guys.
Mark...

yes. as a term, it exists. theoretically, it doesnt.

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@hamilton,

hamilton wrote:

mark noble wrote:

As simple as that.........DOES NOTHING EXIST???

In your opinion - does nothing exist, has it ever existed, can it ever exist?

Just tell it as you see it! All are welcome to throw it out there.

Thank you guys.
Mark...

yes. as a term, it exists. theoretically, it doesnt.

Please read at least the last post before posting.

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@guigus,

wait, im not aloud to answer a question a guy asked?
im not taking up to much room on the page, or anything, am i?
ive been following, slightly, but, i am entitled to my opinion.

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@hamilton,

It's not that you aren't "allowed to", it's just that more often than not (at least in my experience) topics can change from the original question/post, especially when it's a year later. I've also noticed that some people really don't like it when you post a response so long after the original question/post of the topic has been posted. I personally think that it was actually a good time since the thread kind of died out since I stopped arguing with guigus.

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@Chights47,

got to keep the topic going, then.

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@hamilton,

hamilton wrote:

got to keep the topic going, then.

The pending question is: how can everything be nothing? This thread won't go far until someone (other then myself) decides to tackle this question seriously. The problem with all those resisting that question is their classical mind: they can only understand the identity between nothing and everything as the end of everything. However, an identity works both ways, or it would be rather a reduction: for the identity between being and nothingness to be a proper identity, not only being must pass into nothingness but also nothingness must pass into being.

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Define existence: a concept that a thing that exists has a defining characteristic that it must start and/or have duration.
Define nothing: a concept which must have the defining characteristic that it hasn’t started nor does it have duration.
Conclusion: ‘nothing’ is only a concept and by definition and by one of its defining characteristics it cannot exist.

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@igm,

didnt descartes say something about this stuff?

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@hamilton,

hamilton wrote:

didnt descartes say something about this stuff?

igm wrote:

Define existence: a concept that a thing that exists has a defining characteristic that it must start and/or have duration.
Define nothing: a concept which must have the defining characteristic that it hasn’t started nor does it have duration.
Conclusion: ‘nothing’ is only a concept and by definition and by one of its defining characteristics it cannot exist.

It’s based on my study of philosophy which of course included Descartes but it wasn’t a Cartesian quote.

More importantly do you agree or disagree with what I’ve said or are we talking not about the existence of ‘nothing’ but that existence cannot be found i.e. existence is in fact non-existent?

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