DOES NOTHING EXIST???

@guigus,

I simply realized that it does not matter what I say, because you will just ignore or misunderstand everything on an arbitrary basis.

There simply are not more ways to tell you that you are speaking empty words. I am curious to see how many people you will have to talk to on this forum now that I am done wasting my time on your bullshit.

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@Cyracuz,

Good!

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@JLNobody,

I actually thought I was missing something, but in the end I realized that this discussion was just making me miserable and foul mouthed.

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

I simply realized that it does not matter what I say, because you will just ignore or misunderstand everything on an arbitrary basis.

It is you that are ignoring my arguments, for instance, this one:

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Nothing is not each being.

Not each being is not each being.

Any being is any other being.

It is written above, can you read it? If so, can you falsify it?

Cyracuz wrote:

There simply are not more ways to tell you that you are speaking empty words. I am curious to see how many people you will have to talk to on this forum now that I am done wasting my time on your bullshit.

You didn't tell me anything worthy so far, and you insulted me a lot. So it is you the champion of empty words.

Now talking about curiosity: which ones you consider "empty words" in my reasoning above? Do you disagree that nothing is not each being? If so, then which being do you think nothing is? And if you agree that nothing is not each being, then how can you escape the fact that "not each being" (nothing) is "not each being" (nothing)? And how can you avoid this meaning that "any being is any other being"?

Just curious.

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

I actually thought I was missing something, but in the end I realized that this discussion was just making me miserable and foul mouthed.

Pay attention to your feelings...

Come on, react! Try falsifying this:

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Nothing is not each being.

Not each being is not each being.

Any being is any other being.

Soon you'll be dreaming of it...

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@JLNobody,

JLNobody wrote:

Good!

Interesting point!

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

I actually thought I was missing something, but in the end I realized that this discussion was just making me miserable and foul mouthed.

What is making you miserable is your fight against your own reason. To begin with, do you disagree that nothing is not each being?

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@mark noble,

That which can not be described with words exists. The "Awareness" word is a sign post pointing to that which cannot be described and the only thing that exists. All else is a part of this "Awareness" including the concept of "Nothing."

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@TheEnlightenedOne,

If I wanted koans I know of better places to get them.

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@JLNobody,

Thank you for sharing you thoughts, they are enlightening.

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@TheEnlightenedOne,

TheEnlightenedOne wrote:

That which can not be described with words exists. The "Awareness" word is a sign post pointing to that which cannot be described and the only thing that exists. All else is a part of this "Awareness" including the concept of "Nothing."

This is better than many things I have heard (read) here, but it still misses the point: whatever exists is not something that can be or not be described, simply because it is not something "out there." Your very words betray the reason you must give up reason to address what exists: existence is not a static object, although static objects exist.

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@guigus,

Paper, rock, scissors. Paper, rock, scissors. Paper, rock, scissors. Paper wins! Paper is that which can not be described but is the fabric of the universe that everything is painted on, including rock, scissors and the concept of nothing. We are a speck of dust on the big picture of the paper of the universe. No words, no concepts, concept of nothing, thoughts, electrons, neutrons, emotions, time, etc. exist without being interconnected. No-Thing exits, but it is not the nothing you are thinking about. No-Thing is Awareness. Space. Emptiness. The One. Presence. Big Mind. Ohmmm.

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@TheEnlightenedOne,

One can think of Nothing as really Everything. I do feel that when I die I will become both Nothing and Everything at the same time. But actually I (and you) are that now.

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@TheEnlightenedOne,

TheEnlightenedOne wrote:

Paper, rock, scissors. Paper, rock, scissors. Paper, rock, scissors. Paper wins! Paper is that which can not be described but is the fabric of the universe that everything is painted on, including rock, scissors and the concept of nothing. We are a speck of dust on the big picture of the paper of the universe. No words, no concepts, concept of nothing, thoughts, electrons, neutrons, emotions, time, etc. exist without being interconnected. No-Thing exits, but it is not the nothing you are thinking about. No-Thing is Awareness. Space. Emptiness. The One. Presence. Big Mind. Ohmmm.

The nothing I am thinking about is the one that means nothing: there is no other. You are assuming just another unilateral view of nothing as only something: nothing is both something and nothing -- it is inherently ambiguous. Otherwise, it just ceases to be nothing and becomes a deity -- or many -- as the capitalized, proper name "No-Thing."

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@JLNobody,

JLNobody wrote:

One can think of Nothing as really Everything. I do feel that when I die I will become both Nothing and Everything at the same time. But actually I (and you) are that now.

That's quite correct, it only misses a proper theoretical expression.

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@guigus,

I think the level of perception in which JL's statement has value is far beyond theoretical expression, which is why (I think) he said he feels, not thinks or knows...

Feel free to correct me if I misunderstand you JL.

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@mark noble,

I think It very possible that nothing exists.
Why not?
If something has the potential to exist then it must also have a potential not to exist.

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@TheoryJester,

TheoryJester wrote:

I think It very possible that nothing exists.
Why not?
If something has the potential to exist then it must also have a potential not to exist.

IT DOESN'T that the thing

what properties do existence have that non-existence haven't ?

the exact opposite to each other

so if non-existence came first , HOW would existence come from non-existence ?

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

I think the level of perception in which JL's statement has value is far beyond theoretical expression, which is why (I think) he said he feels, not thinks or knows...

Feel free to correct me if I misunderstand you JL.

And I am saying precisely the opposite.

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@TheoryJester,

TheoryJester wrote:

I think It very possible that nothing exists.
Why not?
If something has the potential to exist then it must also have a potential not to exist.

If you say that nothing exists, then you are saying that no being exists. However, if you say that nothing does not exist, then you are saying that everything exists, including square circles. Nothing is a contradictory concept: searching for an unambiguous concept of nothing is futile.

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