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Can An Atheist Have A Soul?

 
 
north
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 05:49 pm

ATHEIST do have a soul , at least this Atheist does

Its called the Human Spirit , I know this is an alein concept to most of Humanity

nevertheless this is my soul , completely
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 09:52 pm
@north,
What in the hell would be the difference between the "Soul" and the "body"...I never get that part...Everything is body with Soul...even Rocks...Everything has meaning and function therefore the "Spice of the Spirit" is there...ANIMÉ !!!
north
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 10:04 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

What in the hell would be the difference between the "Soul" and the "body"...I never get that part...Everything is body with Soul...even Rocks...Everything has meaning and function therefore the "Spice of the Spirit" is there...ANIMÉ !!!


soul and body , is to do with being Human

if there is life energy in everything , possible , since life manifests in the most unimaginable places , hot and cold
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 11:15 pm
A soul? If you have bothered to look it up in any dictionary, soul is separate from the body. Do you believe such a thing exists? If your dead, your brain is dead, and nothing survives. That's simple biological truth. No soul.

Let me try to expand this idea for you.

All religious people believe they have a soul, and also believe that their soul will survive their biological death. This "feeling" has existed long before christianity, hinduism, demi-gods, or any of the Greek or Egyptian mythological gods ever came upon the human scene. When they prayed to their god(s), whether it was to their sun god, animal god, moon god, or tree god, or human-animal form god, they had the same feeling of emotion that took over their psyche. They felt they were speaking to their god(s), and believed in it.

Research on prayer has been done at several universities, and it has been proven that prayer does not work when the prayer is for a third-party or strangers.

With the millions of religious adherents to the major religions of the world, why is it that humans want to believe in a god?

It's simply a human need; nothing more, nothing less. They wish to believe in a higher power that will provide for an after life (in heaven). Only our universe exists with nature in control of our lives.


Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 12:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
It certainly was not the case that I was refering to that kind of soul conception...the same goes for "God" on similar posts...
Spirit which comes from the latin spirare, to breathe, here is implied in the sense of that which animates the body, in very abstract terms, I interpret it as its contextual functionality, given its local conditioned emerging circunstance...

If to clarify even further, the "Spirit" actually belongs to the "World" although establishing a unique relation to that particular emerging object, that is, a unique dynamic...from which the phenomenological manifestation of Truth aquires a specific form at that point in Time/Space
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 11:09 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
You didn't say "soul conception or spirit." When you change the rules after your OP, it changes the whole definition.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 11:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
Agreed...reason why I felt the need to make it clear...my concepts have a large field of meaning often more abstract then concrete...it can bring confusion...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 11:42 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Nothing wrong with that! We all do that at one time or another.
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year2027
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 05:33 pm
God first

thanks Atheist

I had many Atheist prove to me Atheist can love or hate

that the only thing that cannot be seem

an emotion of love or hate is the only spiritual emotion there is

and I am a Christian who believes God is an emotion of love

and there Atheist love too without believing in God

with love and a holy kiss Roy
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 06:04 pm
@year2027,
"God is an emotion of love?"

Show me that in the bible?
Pemerson
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 06:21 pm
I think that if we live a life of goodness, loving kindness, and joy, sharing with others who have less than us, we'll most likely be healthy individuals.

What has all the above got to do with a "soul?" It's called education, education, education. Some day you will know whether or not you have a soul. It may contact you.
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year2027
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 11:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
God first

thanks cicerone imposter

I see have a lot of bible

1 John 4:7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

and meaning for love is an emotion

Love
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Love (disambiguation).

Archetypal lovers Romeo and Juliet portrayed by Frank Dicksee.
Love is the emotion of strong affection and personal attachment.[1] In philosophical context, love is a virtue representing all of human kindness, compassion, and affection. In religious context, love is not just a virtue, but the basis for all being ("God is love"[2]), and the foundation for all divine law

(Golden Rule).
The word love can refer to a variety of different feelings, states, and attitudes, ranging from generic pleasure ("I loved that meal") to intense interpersonal attraction ("I love my partner"). "Love" can also refer specifically to the passionate desire and intimacy of romantic love, to the sexual love of eros (cf. Greek words for love), to the emotional closeness of familial love, or to the platonic love that defines friendship,[3] to the profound oneness or devotion of religious love. [4] This diversity of uses and meanings, combined with the complexity of the feelings involved, makes love unusually difficult to consistently define, even compared to other emotional states.
Love in its various forms acts as a major facilitator of interpersonal relationships and, owing to its central psychological importance, is one of the most common themes in the creative arts.

look it up

in Greek or Hebrew or whatever tongue you talk in

with love and a holy kiss Roy
Ding an Sich
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 09:48 am
@spiritual anrkst,

1. There is more than one conception of what exaclty the soul is. In the Platonic sense we have an indivisible entity that is somehow connected to the body and escapes it after the body perishes (Phaedo). The Aristotelian would say that the soul is "the form of the body" and that everything (living that is) has a soul. The Platonic concept is what we see most often in Christianity. However, since Aqcuinas, I would imagine that the Catholics hold on to the Aristotelian view of the soul (but then again most Catholics do not know much about their own religion).

2. What is the difference between "awareness" and "conciousness"? I do not think that it follows from awareness that we have free will. I am not arguing against free will though, I am simply objecting to your not-so-good argument.

3. Kant, in his Kritik Der Reinen Vernunft, established what he called the antinomies of pure reason. From there he demonstrated arguments for and against the existence of the soul, God, free will, and the beginning of the world. I would suggest looking into the soul, God, and free will parts. Granted, the arguments have changed drastically changed since then, but (I think) a lot of what Kant did carried through, at least in pieces, to the 19th and 20th century.

4. The reason why most atheists would reject these notions might rest on the fact that they find them non-sensical. We have a concept of something to which we cannot find in experience. God does not show Himself, he must reveal Himself.

5. A man's face is his soul. It shows him forth.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:59 am
@year2027,
year, You found one. Here's a whole list about your god's rath:
Quote:


Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)


Natural Disasters are God's Wrath
The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)


Pillage and Plunder
For the land of Israel lies empty and broken after your attacks, but the LORD will restore its honor and power again. Shields flash red in the sunlight! The attack begins! See their scarlet uniforms! Watch as their glittering chariots move into position, with a forest of spears waving above them. The chariots race recklessly along the streets and through the squares, swift as lightning, flickering like torches. The king shouts to his officers; they stumble in their haste, rushing to the walls to set up their defenses. But too late! The river gates are open! The enemy has entered! The palace is about to collapse! Nineveh's exile has been decreed, and all the servant girls mourn its capture. Listen to them moan like doves; watch them beat their breasts in sorrow. Nineveh is like a leaking water reservoir! The people are slipping away. "Stop, stop!" someone shouts, but the people just keep on running. Loot the silver! Plunder the gold! There seems no end to Nineveh's many treasures – its vast, uncounted wealth. Soon the city is an empty shambles, stripped of its wealth. Hearts melt in horror, and knees shake. The people stand aghast, their faces pale and trembling. (Nahum 2:2-10 NLT)


An Angry Jealous God
"I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, 'Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.' But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn." So now the LORD says: "Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations. For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy. "On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together. My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings. (Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT)

God Will Kill Ethiopia
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)

God's Human Slaughter Fest
Stand in silence in the presence of the Sovereign LORD, for the awesome day of the LORD's judgment has come. The LORD has prepared his people for a great slaughter and has chosen their executioners. "On that day of judgment," says the LORD, "I will punish the leaders and princes of Judah and all those following pagan customs. Yes, I will punish those who participate in pagan worship ceremonies, and those who steal and kill to fill their masters' homes with loot. "On that day," says the LORD, "a cry of alarm will come from the Fish Gate and echo throughout the newer Mishneh section of the city. And a great crashing sound will come from the surrounding hills. Wail in sorrow, all you who live in the market area, for all who buy and sell there will die. "I will search with lanterns in Jerusalem's darkest corners to find and punish those who sit contented in their sins, indifferent to the LORD, thinking he will do nothing at all to them. They are the very ones whose property will be plundered by the enemy, whose homes will be ransacked. They will never have a chance to live in the new homes they have built. They will never drink wine from the vineyards they have planted. "That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes – a day when strong men will cry bitterly. It is a day when the LORD's anger will be poured out. It is a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, of clouds, blackness, trumpet calls, and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and strongest battlements! "Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you as helpless as a blind man searching for a path. Your blood will be poured out into the dust, and your bodies will lie there rotting on the ground." Your silver and gold will be of no use to you on that day of the LORD's anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth. (Zephaniah 1:7:18 NLT)

God Will Kill Everyone
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

Old is New
Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment, for it is an old one you have always had, right from the beginning. This commandment – to love one another – is the same message you heard before. Yet it is also new. (1 John 2:7-8 NLT)

(This is not evil, but it is just so stupid I just had to post it.)

Prayer Cures the Sick
Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15 ASV)
(This passage is evil because people who believe it may not get proper medical treatment for their sick children.)

Fire Breathing Dragons
"Can you draw out Leviathan with a fishhook? Or press down his tongue with a cord? "Can you put a rope in his nose Or pierce his jaw with a hook? "Will he make many supplications to you, Or will he speak to you soft words? "Will he make a covenant with you? Will you take him for a servant forever? "Will you play with him as with a bird, Or will you bind him for your maidens? "Will the traders bargain over him? Will they divide him among the merchants? "Can you fill his skin with harpoons, Or his head with fishing spears? "Lay your hand on him; Remember the battle; you will not do it again! "Behold, your expectation is false; Will you be laid low even at the sight of him? "No one is so fierce that he dares to arouse him; Who then is he that can stand before Me? "Who has given to Me that I should repay {him?} {Whatever} is under the whole heaven is Mine.

"I will not keep silence concerning his limbs, Or his mighty strength, or his orderly frame. "Who can strip off his outer armor? Who can come within his double mail? "Who can open the doors of his face? Around his teeth there is terror. "{His} strong scales are {his} pride, Shut up {as with} a tight seal. "One is so near to another That no air can come between them. "They are joined one to another; They clasp each other and cannot be separated. "His sneezes flash forth light, And his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. "Out of his mouth go burning torches; Sparks of fire leap forth. "Out of his nostrils smoke goes forth As {from} a boiling pot and {burning} rushes. "His breath kindles coals, And a flame goes forth from his mouth. "In his neck lodges strength, And dismay leaps before him. "The folds of his flesh are joined together, Firm on him and immovable. "His heart is as hard as a stone, Even as hard as a lower millstone.

"When he raises himself up, the mighty fear; Because of the crashing they are bewildered. "The sword that reaches him cannot avail, Nor the spear, the dart or the javelin. "He regards iron as straw, Bronze as rotten wood. "The arrow cannot make him flee; Slingstones are turned into stubble for him. "Clubs are regarded as stubble; He laughs at the rattling of the javelin. "His underparts are {like} sharp potsherds; He spreads out {like} a threshing sledge on the mire. "He makes the depths boil like a pot; He makes the sea like a jar of ointment. "Behind him he makes a wake to shine; One would think the deep to be gray-haired. "Nothing on earth is like him, One made without fear. "He looks on everything that is high; He is king over all the sons of pride." (Job 41:1-34 NAS)

Hammer Tent Peg Into Head
Meanwhile, Sisera ran to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, because Heber's family was on friendly terms with King Jabin of Hazor. Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, "Come into my tent, sir. Come in. Don't be afraid." So he went into her tent, and she covered him with a blanket. "Please give me some water," he said. "I'm thirsty." So she gave him some milk to drink and covered him again. "Stand at the door of the tent," he told her. "If anybody comes and asks you if there is anyone here, say no." But when Sisera fell asleep from exhaustion, Jael quietly crept up to him with a hammer and tent peg. Then she drove the tent peg through his temple and into the ground, and so he died. When Barak came looking for Sisera, Jael went out to meet him. She said, "Come, and I will show you the man you are looking for." So he followed her into the tent and found Sisera lying there dead, with the tent peg through his temple. So on that day Israel saw God subdue Jabin, the Canaanite king. And from that time on Israel became stronger and stronger against King Jabin, until they finally destroyed him. (Judges 4:17-24 NLT)



There are more.
year2027
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 02:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
God first

thanks cicerone imposter

I just share one with you

Is our King James the first and only bible?

No

our King James is just what a king wanted us to believe

It would be like President Obama today telling us this God's word and leaving out Genesis and Luke

Genesis and Luke are part of God's Word but maybe Obama does like them

but I have read 1611 Bible and Wycliffe bible and Geneva bible and the Great Bible and their different

how about you

Old English Hexateuch · Old English Bible translations
Middle English
Wycliffe
16th-17th century
Tyndale · Coverdale · Matthew · Great Bible · Taverner · Geneva · Bishops' · Douay-Rheims · Authorized King James
18th-19th century
Challoner · Webster's · Young's Literal · Revised · Darby · Joseph Smith · Quaker
20th century

American Standard · Rotherham's Emphasized · Ferrar Fenton · Knox · Revised Standard · New World · New English Bible · New American Standard · Good News · Jerusalem · New American · Living · New International · New Century · Bethel · New King James · New Jerusalem · Recovery · New Revised Standard · Revised English · Contemporary English · The Message · Clear Word · 21st Century King James · Third Millennium · New International Reader's · New International Inclusive Language · New Living · Complete Jewish Bible · International Standard · Holman Christian Standard · The Scriptures '98
21st century

World English · English Standard · Today's New International · New English Translation (NET Bible) · New English Translation of the Septuagint · Orthodox Study Bible · The Voice · Common English Bible · Catholic Public Domain · WGC Illustrated · Apostolic Bible Polyglot · Open English Bible · Open English Translation · Eastern Orthodox Bible
Categories: 1539 books | Early printed Bibles | History of Christianity in the United Kingdom | History of the Church of England | Tudor England | 16th-century Christian texts | English Bible translations

with love and a holy kiss Roy
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 02:19 pm
@year2027,
year, What world do you live in? A god of the bible and Obama doesn't equate in any shape or form. Trying to create analogies between god and Obama is not only foolish but ignorant.

God is a creation of man; Obama is our "living" president.

Mythological figures and humans who have lived and are alive on this planet cannot be compared for any purpose.

Trying to compare apples and oranges is futile except to say they are both fruits.
shiva21
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 02:24 pm
@spiritual anrkst,
I m not religious ,but what I ll notice in many atheists is that they actually are obsesed about criticizing and questioning god. They love the unknown .
If their s a soul , it is there for everyone , if you believe in it or not that s another subject . religion and spirtuality are different subjects ,you can be religious but not spiritual . By not belonging to any religion that doesn t mean you don t believe in soul or has any other personal belief system . Atheist don t believe in either of them as far as i know .
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 02:36 pm
@shiva21,
Of coarse we question god's existence, because most religious people believe they know god, but how? We can talk about all gods created by men, or the christian/Jew god who created this planet, but there is zero evidence about "this" god.

Even the bible that's supposed to be the evidence for this god has so many errors, omissions, and conflicting messages, that any person with common sense and logic would question it.

Why talk about "soul" when it's the same as trying to prove any god exists? After all, soul is based on religious belief.

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year2027
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 05:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
God first

thanks cicerone imposter

you said "year, What world do you live in? A god of the bible and Obama doesn't equate in any shape or form. Trying to create analogies between god and Obama is not only foolish but ignorant.

God is a creation of man; Obama is our "living" president.

Mythological figures and humans who have lived and are alive on this planet cannot be compared for any purpose.

Trying to compare apples and oranges is futile except to say they are both fruits."

I did not compare God to Obama but Obama to King James one of the person that try to take credit for the Bible

Luke is the God's Word but it is not in the bible

just like The Arabic Gospel of the Infancy of the Saviour is God's word

just Jack and Beanstalk is the God's Word

with love and a holy kiss Roy
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north
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 09:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

A soul? If you have bothered to look it up in any dictionary, soul is separate from the body. Do you believe such a thing exists? If your dead, your brain is dead, and nothing survives. That's simple biological truth. No soul.

Let me try to expand this idea for you.

All religious people believe they have a soul, and also believe that their soul will survive their biological death. This "feeling" has existed long before christianity, hinduism, demi-gods, or any of the Greek or Egyptian mythological gods ever came upon the human scene. When they prayed to their god(s), whether it was to their sun god, animal god, moon god, or tree god, or human-animal form god, they had the same feeling of emotion that took over their psyche. They felt they were speaking to their god(s), and believed in it.

Research on prayer has been done at several universities, and it has been proven that prayer does not work when the prayer is for a third-party or strangers.

With the millions of religious adherents to the major religions of the world, why is it that humans want to believe in a god?

It's simply a human need; nothing more, nothing less. They wish to believe in a higher power that will provide for an after life (in heaven). Only our universe exists with nature in control of our lives.



soul to me is not about any god , at all

my soul is about who I am as a living being in this Universe

who I am deep down ,the conscious part of me is Human
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