Definition of Reality

But reality isn't manufactured, only the way our brains interpret it. My perceptions of reality during my experiences as a psychonaut had no impact on anyone else's perception of reality, or else everyone in the room at the same time would have seen the Aztec priest in full regalia doing dishes at my kitchen sink also.


I've been looking back and trying to figure out where anyone admitted that mirages are real. Why would anyone agree that illusions and hallucinations are real as well?

Of course, no one said that mirages are real. What would that mean? That mirages are really oases? (Of course, there are real mirages, but that's different).

Exactly. Just as there are real hallucinations. Saying that hallucinations or illusions are real hallucinations or illusions is an entirely different matter than saying hallucinations or illusions are real.

I know you know the difference, and even when I was at my most "gone" back in the old days I could tell the difference if not at the time, then always when I returned.

Why do people persist in saying otherwise?

Exactly. Just as there are real hallucinations. Saying that hallucinations or illusions are real hallucinations or illusions is an entirely different matter than saying hallucinations or illusions are real.

It depends on the referent of Reality that you apply...or does it not ?

I'm trying to figure out what you mean by this. Are you asking if changing the words we use to describe a thing can change the thing itself?

There you go, TickTockMan. That's clear enough for anyone.

Could you clarify ?

For instance:

If I describe a room from my point of view witch is X, Y, Z, T, is it less real then a description from another perspective, lets say X1, Y1, Z1,T1 ???

From your point of view? Far more real. How can you ask? (But, what is Z1 doing there? Don't you mean Z3?) .

Z3 indeed...my mistake !

For instance:

If I describe a room from my point of view witch is X, Y, Z, T, is it less real then a description from another perspective, lets say X1, Y1, Z1,T1 ???

If you and I are sitting together on a couch are we sitting on different couches? Is that what you are asking?

I hope not! Otherwise, who are we talking to?

First, is it a sofa-bed? That's important.

First, is it a sofa-bed? That's important.

Or Z11. But that might be the same thing.

If you and I are sitting together on a couch are we sitting on different couches? Is that what you are asking?

I hope not! Otherwise, who are we talking to?

Really ??? Many thanks wise one ! :bigsmile:

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For communication purposes we are in different couches...

I think I see where the confusion is. You are not making a distinction between point of view, or perspective, and the referent.

In other words, if we are sitting at opposite ends of the same table we are seeing it from different angles so our view of it does not look the same, so from appearances sake, it seems to be a different table.

Is that what you are suggesting?