Women do not love the truth

Not only is relying on "every woman you've known" a biased sample (maybe you only know Jezebels), your interpretations are subject to your very obvious prejudices.

You don't sound like a man who knows much about women, and you never will if you keep up such ridiculous pigeon-holing. I know if I were a woman you'd be the last man on Earth I'd want to open my heart to.

Maybe most of the people posting here are too inexperienced to understand, but it really gets good with a partner when you start seeing her/him as a fellow human being . . . no more and no less.

Women are more romantic, yes; but the notion that women somehow don't have the sexual drive absent of romance is just a romantic myth. Many young women are more promiscuous than mature women, as these studies show and I've personally experienced.

I'm not really saying that women are more promiscuous than men, but they are just as promiscuous as men. Have you ever seen a woman in a strip club . . . lol. Mistaken paternity, genital size in primates, and direct observation of female behavior proves that female humans are naturally promiscuous. Of course female promiscuity varies from person to person just like male promiscuity. Some people are more promiscuous than others, but they can always learn how to control their behavior. I agree that there is a double standard, and that this behavior is accepted from men more than it is from women, but the myth that women are not naturally promiscuous only enables this double standard.

Cheating and promiscuity are the same thing. You said that cheating happens once or twice or even three times; two and three are multiple numbers, and that's the definition of promiscuity. Cheating is when you're in a monogamous relationship and you have an affair with someone else; that's seeking out more than one partner, and that's promiscuity. Sure some people have affairs for emotional reasons, but many have affairs for sensual reasons.

ok-i think we have established where we agree and where we disagree.

and no, i havent seen a woman in a strip club! do you mean a club for women to watch men strip? i didnt know they had them. i have heard of the chippendales, but i thought they were a las vegas act or something. how many women actually go to see those? i mean what proportion of the women in the world or the western world go to those? in my experience of the past half century, i have only heard of some women hiring a stripper to come to a bachelorette party maybe twice. but i have never met anyone who has been to a club to watch men strip. you and i have definitely not been hanging around the same crowds of people!

kind of a depressing topic. i hate to think of the psychological motives a woman might have to want to see a man strip. come to think of it, i havent had very many female friends in life...can i be that out of touch?

I'm not really saying that women are more promiscuous than men, but they are just as promiscuous as men. Have you ever seen a woman in a strip club . . . lol. Mistaken paternity, genital size in primates, and direct observation of female behavior proves that female humans are naturally promiscuous. Of course female promiscuity varies from person to person just like male promiscuity. Some people are more promiscuous than others, but they can always learn how to control their behavior. I agree that there is a double standard, and that this behavior is accepted from men more than it is from women, but the myth that women are not naturally promiscuous only enables this double standard.

Today (again, in societies that allow it), women are participating in every walk of life. Personally I am thrilled to see women in politics, law, science, etc. because they definitely bring much-needed qualities to society. The very best managers I've worked with (before retiring) were women; I don't want to over-generalize, but I think they are better "natural" managers than men.

I am married to a relatively unreflective woman, but who embodies in how she actually is and lives much of what I contemplate in philosophy. I wonder, who is more powerfully aware . . . the person who lives it, or the person who conceptualizes about it? That thought brings us to . . .

IMHO, this is far, far more true than than any culture has yet realized. In my marriage, I totally subordinate myself when I can tell she is exercising her natural strengths; and she does the same with me. It has created a a most loving friendship and effective partnership, and for me been a source of constant learning.

It is unfortunate that kids are not taught relationship skills from puberty onward because most people enter into love relationships blinded by hormonal drives, and then after that calms down it too often turns into a competition between the male and female perspectives (rather than a cooperative, mutual-learning arrangement). There is a great body of work that addresses what Justin mentioned . . .

A very nice way to put it. One of the great philosophies that is yet to get the kind of attention it deserves is Chinese Yin Yang theory, particularly as embodied in the I Ching expounding on the principles of complementary opposites.

But even deeper than learning to recognize the action of complementary opposites is realizing where oneness is. We call it love, but even if we never call it anything, or never philosophize about it, we can always feel it.

Wow; people really hate uncomfortable information. Put your defense shield down and just listen for a moment. . . . Female human promiscuity has been proven again and again. Your willingness or unwillingness to accept it is up to you. Why is my 'interpretation' prejudiced?

You miss the point of my criticism. Looking back at your comments in this thread I see a pattern of sloppy generalizations that characterize women based on the lowest common denominator. Should we characterize men as ball-scratching, boob-watching, spitting, two-minute-humping, sport and car-worshipping beasts because a large portion of the male population is like that? In that case we have to ignore the great men who've helped make the world a better place.

Similarly, for you to say, for example, that "The average woman's most common flaw is the inability to control their emotions at the most important times," doesn't give credit to the huge numbers of women who aren't like that. You could have pointed to any traits of women you wanted to, and all you could come up with is they are too emotional and as horny as men? Yet you say you aren't prejudiced.

Any 'raising' of one sex above another is absurd and ignorant(that goes for raising women above men as well). In general(meaning save for possible physical trouble, not emotional, not psychological) any dichotomy in gender roles stems from pure social circumstance.

Aedes, I understand that you feel the need to retaliate against what you and I would perceive as ignorance, however; elevating the 'woman' or even really talking about the 'woman' positively or negatively as any sort of homogeneous group(even just to make a small point by using the same sort of fallacy or rhetoric that another has used) seems to me to be disingenuous. Though I can understand the frustration.

To those who claim the woman to be more 'romantic', is it not equally possible that the men romanticize the women? Or more likely, that the women have been conditioned for such a temperament? What seems most sensible to me is that men's romantic ideas and passions are directed to non-human or otherworldly objects at an early age:building blocks, erector sets, video games, electronics, ect, women are often conditioned to find the perfect man (Barbie and Ken), get in the kitchen and cook (easy bake oven), obsess over frivolous things like clothes and hair(all of the products geared towards young girls).

this is what i would like to see investigated. there are differences between the behavior of men and women as well as the level of their abilities. where do they come from? are they innate or have they been conditioned? how can each human being reach their full potential without being limited by social conditioning? i am not talking about legal rights etc but about psychological limitations that are mainly self imposed. how to identify and overcome those?