Re: The truth about Iraq
Quote:Would that be the freedom to be shot by US troops randomly, harassed at checkpoints, and continuously reminded that you are subject to the qwhims of half educated 19 year olds?
First of all, they aren't shot randomly.
Second, they are understanding of the "harassment" at check points, as long as the US gets the bad guys (Ba'athists)
Quote:So, we are supposed to forget that there have been women in the workforce in Iraq since the 1950s? Are we also supposed to forget that many of them were physicians, attorneys, professors, etc...?
BTW, how many of these police officers have been killed for collaborating with the invaders?
None of them were Iraqi women (By birth) They were educated outside of Iraq, and Saddam paid them exorbant amounts of money to create a good view of himself to the outside world. However "his" people (the real Iraqi people) had a much harder time getting jobs and security.
The Officers killed for collaborating with the invaders were killed by Ba'athists (Saddam).
The US has never killed someone FOR siding with them, however accidents do happen.
Quote:Because the US is so accomplished at installing democracy, right? Never mind that it deposed the democratically elected ruler of neighboring Iran and installed its puppet Pahlavi, or that it supported the Hussein regime in Iraq.
It supported the Hussein regime and have realized that was wrong. Have you not gone back to fix a mistake? They are now.
The people are happier there.
The freedom is amazing compared to what they had before. (Having freedom compared to not having freedom at all that is)
Quote:Now they can look forward to imprisonment and torture from the US. What a plus.
What imprisonment? The prisoners that the US has taken have been criminals (i.e. - Ba'athists, Saddam supporters) Meanwhile the newly installed Iraqi police department have been capturing actual criminals and gangs. (I've seen the coolest pictures and heard from friends how amazing this one gang bust was! The americans were there for support but basically let the Iraqi Police handle it! It was awesome!)
If you had seen (which I can give you the opportunity to) the torture that Saddam has put "his" people through, you would know just how much of a blessing the US really is.
Quote:I would love to see evidence supporting this comment. It sounds false.
It may not be completely accurate, but from the Iraqi's that I know it's about right. The men of families were killed in order to keep them from having children (if they were Shia
Quote:And as she grows up, will surely treasure memories of relatives killed by the occupation forces, if she isn't herself killed.
However, she is lucky to be alive considering that Saddam randomly picks families, and burns their children.
Quote:And the continuing attacks show the Iraqis will not forget their "liberators" anytime soon.
What continuing attacks? Are you speaking about the terrorists and Ba'athists that are continually attacking the US while they are there to help? Seriously, You need to start making yourself intelligent enough to atleast say what attacks.
Quote:Would that be the same 3000 citizens of at least 50 nations who were killed by Saudis? Gullibility, thy name is American.
Well you're not even really arguing there. You're just naming another evil that should be removed.
But add 6,000,000 shia muslims to the list of victims at the hands of Saddam.
Quote:Especially those killed, and the wounded who are receiving no support for their injuries. How about military families, that are suffering. But fear not, the rich are getting tax cuts. I guess that makes everything OK, yes?
that has nothing to do with the war. (Tax cuts that is).
America is being very un-selfish in removing an evil from the world. It doesnt' matter what the reason is, or anything like that, why can't people just appreciate that Saddam no longer has power and the Iraqi people are much safer now?
Quote:The noose we are tightening is around our own necks. "Collaborators" are routinely shot. There is no sign of a democratic Iraq.
Actually there are huge developments of democracy in Iraq. It's just that you apparently don't pay attention to people that know what they're talking about.
Quote:This would be the same group of exiles, many of whom haven't set foot in the country in 30 years, who are most of them fleeing indictment for frud and larceny in many nations. Rebuilding contracts have gone to US companies that refuse to do any work until it is "safe," and efforts by the CPA to assume the role of a real government is always quashed by Bremer, the US colonial governor.
Those "exiles" had been exiled because Saddam would have had them removed or killed due to them being Shia. (Not all of them however). The members of the GC are some of the most intelligent and respected Iraqi leaders (both men and women) that Iraq has ever had. There is nothing wrong with them. Fraud and Larseny are complete BS. These are good lawful people. Saddam said "fraud and larseny" (if anybody did, I highly doubt anyone would though) because he wanted them returned to Iraq and killed.
About the contracts going to the US:
1) Why is it, that when the US invades a country and doesn't rebuild it, they get crapped on? Now they are rebuilding it, and getting crapped on? Make up your minds. Pick a point of view, and stick with it. Don't keep changing your opinion to stay anti-US.
2) What Iraqi companies should they give the contracts to? There are next to none (that aren't Ba'athist).
Quote:And as strong defenders of freedom, refused to participate in this act of the rape of another country.
Tell me, how would allowing Saddam Hussein to remain in power, promote peace and justice in the world?
Quote:Think of how much mre would have been saved had Bush not pushed the country into his private war!
Exactly!
The US are being very un-selfish in this act of liberating the Iraqi people from the death grip Saddam had on them.
They are risking their own lives, they are spending their own money, and practically ruining their own economy (which has gotten stronger, good for them!) to rid the world of an evil that the rest of the world would not support them on. I support them ridding of all evil. However, it has to be done one step at a time.
Quote:But instead, we invaded Iraq.
But instead? Iraq has been the center of terrorism for the past 35 years! So the US has finally gone in and removed the biggest part of the terrorism going on in Iraq, and has made huge success in the war against terrorism.
Quote:More likely we have created a bnation sized recruiting base for anti US terror. Way to go Bush. Osama's little helper!
Well first of all, the people there are very supportive of the US intervention to remove Saddam Hussein from power.
Second, please educate yourself on the situation (atleast a tiny bit please) before making arguments.
I know what's happening in Iraq long before any news source. Since April I have been posting things about the Iraqi people being happy, and how great things are and other such things LONG BEFORE anything has been reported. Why? because my sources are the Iraqi people. I get daily updates from Hassan (who gets daily updates from Saba, a man who lives in Iraq and works for the IPO)
The things that are happening in Iraq are beautiful, and no one should be against them. (Unless you are a Saddam supporter, in which case you should be killed).
You may have been against the reasons, and admittedly the US did not find WMD, however, they found loads of Mass Destruction caused by Saddam.