@Elmud,
Love as a form of relationship is also a relationship... All relationships have their politics, even the most simple of relationships in appearance... In the proper order of things negotiation comes first, and specific performance follows...Get these out of order, and trouble is bound to result....
Certainly, if people cannot talk before love making they will not be able to talk afterwards... They just have to remember that in a sense, all talk about any other subject is the second intention as much as talk about talk is the second intention....
We all want that moment of Love... We think that for women, that it should mean more... In fact, for all people it should mean more, that not only love, but all things human have been robbed of meaning, and it is the challenge of all of us in the stuff and nonsense of our lives leading up to the act of love, that we give each other meaning, and recognize how we have all been robbed of meaning, and vow NEVER to do to our lovers what life does to all of us against our wills...Inevitably, your wife, or woman will tell you what she wants in her house, in her home, and in her life...It might be as simple as putting the toilet seat down, or cleaning it once a century or so; but doing such as we are desired to do, even if it has no particular meaning to us, is often enough to earn us love...
And can you really earn it??? Can you deserve IT, sex, love. intimacy...We take so much and trash so much in life, and we learn to devalue sex; but it is all a part of the self negation we practice in youth to defuse our fear of the future... Consider all the treasures in the bank of a woman, and whether her desire to give her self lessen her value??? Can you reproduce yourself without her??? Perhaps you do not want that now, but sterility, so you can take and trash...Can anyone else feel as she feels, smell with her scent, laugh with her music, or dance the dance of life with every movement??? How can a man taste a girls skin, and see the world through her hair and trash her, and the experience of her intimacy???It is demeaning... To look at the body of a woman as a living toy is demeaning...Can demeaning come from meaning, or is it only more of the same, the expression of a meaningless life???
There are many things an old man knows that a kid will never understand...But the reason for trashing love which is so hard to come by no old man will ever know....Only the hatred of life that comes with youth can explain it...Nothing can justify it... It is a cruel trick life plays on a man, that while he can be a good lover he does not know how to love, and when he can no longer serve love as she deserves then he can know love...
Two qualities are required of a man to love...One is perfect health, mental and physical.... Since youth is madness, no youth can love...The other quality a man needs to love is courage, and youth hides fears behind a thousand brave bluffs... Only the ability to face death, or anything less than death with perfect abandon; the ability to think once and live up to that thought, to step over that line marked eternity, and leave it all else behind will make a man fit for love... The love a woman isn't for sissys... She is life.. She is Aphrodite... Do you think you are man enough to hang on to her??? Do you have the guts to try???Bare your heart to her blade...Nothing can spare you the pain life holds for you...Your only defense is your sense... Drop the armor, the impedimenta, the pretense... Nothing can save you from love... Abandon hope... Embrace love; And love will save your soul...