A socialist USA?

@Mr Fight the Power,

No one is considering mass genocide. Just examining cultural and economic conflict in Europe.

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@Mr Fight the Power,

Mr. Fight the Power wrote:

This man has a "solution":

You have a point. No easy formulas for anything I guess.

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@Elmud,

I would not be so confident that unrest could not produce a similar response. If there is no bone to chew then the dog starts biting his tail. The massive influx of foreigners to Europe will have an effect. It depends on how the economies survive this depression as to how we see discrimination increase.Pretending it wont happen again is stupid.

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@Cyber Abyss,

Cyber Abyss wrote:

No one is considering mass genocide. Just examining cultural and economic conflict in Europe.

Just making known the dangers of combining nationalistic thoughts of "social harmony" with ideas of state socialism.

Remember that government works through violence, state socialism carries with it ideas that the people are entitled to certain provisions from the state, and nationalism separates between who is deserving and who is not.

So for every benefit government can possibly confer, it does so through violence. If you wish to secure "social harmony" of any nature through the state, it is done through aggression against those without harmonious beliefs. Hitler may be an extreme, but he is exemplary.

If freedom and "social harmony" are ever in conflict, I have no doubt that your harmony is evil.

EDIT: Note that if you are secure in the harmonious principles, education is the trick (and the state sucks at that too).

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@Mr Fight the Power,

However much you would like harmony to be final outcome if you push a harmonious society into unrest by introducing too many foreign nationals and with them totally alien concepts, the tribe will rebel without question every time.To ignore this human characteristic in our make up is insane.All it needs is a spark and the flames will consume us.No invasion ever came without conflict.

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@xris,

xris wrote:

However much you would like harmony to be final outcome if you push a harmonious society into unrest by introducing too many foreign nationals and with them totally alien concepts, the tribe will rebel without question every time.To ignore this human characteristic in our make up is insane.All it needs is a spark and the flames will consume us.No invasion ever came without conflict.

Invasion into what? Does Sweden belong to the Swedish?

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@Mr Fight the Power,

Mr. Fight the Power wrote:

Invasion into what? Does Sweden belong to the Swedish?

It belongs to its inhabitants who happen to be Swedish are you goading me ? before you put up another picture to make a point,does a doctor ever request a change of life style before he recommends surgery? I love it when those who dont have to face these life changing circumstances , think love and understanding will overcome mans failings.I'm not advocating violent or extreme actions to resolve these problems but simply a recognition that there is a problem.

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@xris,

xris wrote:

It belongs to its inhabitants who happen to be Swedish are you goading me ? before you put up another picture to make a point,does a doctor ever request a change of life style before he recommends surgery? I love it when those who dont have to face these life changing circumstances , think love and understanding will overcome mans failings.I'm not advocating violent or extreme actions to resolve these problems but simply a recognition that there is a problem.

No goading. I simply want to know what is being invaded.

The word "invasion" rarely comes without negative connotations.

I guess what I am really getting at: Who is to blame for the conflict?

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@Mr Fight the Power,

Mr. Fight the Power wrote:

No goading. I simply want to know what is being invaded.

The word "invasion" rarely comes without negative connotations.

I guess what I am really getting at: Who is to blame for the conflict?

conflict what conflict have you actually read my posts or have you supposed. Invasion can take many forms and one that has been happening all over europe is the enormous influx of peoples from outside of europe. I dont blame those who come to europe i understand their necessities . My concern is for them as much as those who see their way of life changing beyond recognition. If we dont control this immigration both sides will suffer and with muslim culture being very insular it exasperates the problem.Dont assume you have the final solution in my posts..

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@xris,

xris wrote:

conflict what conflict have you actually read my posts or have you supposed. Invasion can take many forms and one that has been happening all over europe is the enormous influx of peoples from outside of europe. I dont blame those who come to europe i understand their necessities . My concern is for them as much as those who see their way of life changing beyond recognition. If we dont control this immigration both sides will suffer and with muslim culture being very insular it exasperates the problem.Dont assume you have the final solution in my posts..

I do read the posts I respond to, even if I don't understand them. This part was pretty clear, however:

xris wrote:

No invasion ever came without conflict.

I just want to point out that, if this immigration is controlled, rather than both sides suffering (a debatable statement), one side benefits and one side suffers.

Where is that socialistic spirit of equality?

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@Mr Fight the Power,

Mr. Fight the Power wrote:

I do read the posts I respond to, even if I don't understand them. This part was pretty clear, however:

I just want to point out that, if this immigration is controlled, rather than both sides suffering (a debatable statement), one side benefits and one side suffers.

Where is that socialistic spirit of equality?

If you put too many souls in the life boat they all drown. I expect a socialist to be caring beyond his family or his countries boundaries.Socialism is a brotherhood of all men who demand equality and not to be exploited.Sorry to be a realist and a socialist..

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@xris,

xris wrote:

If you put too many souls in the life boat they all drown.

Gonna remember this utilitarian beauty of a quote for our next political/economic discussion.

It seems to be a catch-all.

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@xris,

xris wrote:

If you put too many souls in the life boat they all drown. I expect a socialist to be caring beyond his family or his countries boundaries.Socialism is a brotherhood of all men who demand equality and not to be exploited.Sorry to be a realist and a socialist..

Except not all men just want to be equal with their brother. Some want more than that and some want to work harder for that extra Tv, house, etc. Which creates the fundamental flaw in Socialism. The person that works the least gets the same as the person who truly succeeds. It's just part of human nature.

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@Cyber Abyss,

Cyber Abyss wrote:

Except not all men just want to be equal with their brother. Some want more than that and some want to work harder for that extra Tv, house, etc. Which creates the fundamental flaw in Socialism. The person that works the least gets the same as the person who truly succeeds. It's just part of human nature.

Oh what has this attitude got to do with socialism..When has a socialist state stopped someone attaining wealth? Its not about not improving oneself through hard work, its about not allowing exploitation but having a social conscience.It maintains it through legislation on workers conditions and the provision of health care and unemployment insurance.My father fought in ww2 he returned to find no work , ill through army service with little or no help from the state and we his children went hungry.This is what drives my political attitude.I get so angry when socialism is misrepresented.

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@Elmud,

I'm not touching the xenofobia here.

Sweden is doing away with the welfare society. Has not done away with it just yet.
Sweden is a democracy - a market economy - a monarchy.
Socialism is dead in Sweden. So is the idea of solidarity.
The owners won.

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@Mr Fight the Power,

I recomend that everyone go to google video and search with these three tags and watch the videos: very prescient.

1982 edward griffin interviews norman dodds

soviet subversion of the free world press

the creature from jekyll island (1 of 12)

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@BrightNoon,

BrightNoon wrote:

I recomend that everyone go to google video and search with these three tags and watch the videos: very prescient.

1982 edward griffin interviews norman dodds

soviet subversion of the free world press

the creature from jekyll island (1 of 12)

Soviets are not socialists, if that is what you are referencing..

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@xris,

I never said they were. I corrected myself a few pages back re the U.S. moving toward socialism; its not really socialism. Its statism, which you might call fascism or corperatism, masked as populism/socialism. In any case, I wasn't responding to or rebutting anyone's post. Please, check out the videos. If you only have time/stomach for one, try the last one.

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@BrightNoon,

BrightNoon wrote:

I never said they were. I corrected myself a few pages back re the U.S. moving toward socialism; its not really socialism. Its statism, which you might call fascism or corperatism, masked as populism/socialism. In any case, I wasn't responding to or rebutting anyone's post. Please, check out the videos. If you only have time/stomach for one, try the last one.

where do i find them? please..

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@xris,

Just go to Google Videos and type one of those three tags into the search box. The first things to come up should be the right vid, but look around to make sure its the full length version or the right part. I was going to post links, but had some trouble. Even if your on the opposite side of the ideological ring, I think you'lll find these interesting. G. Edward Griffin is a scholarly and all around nice guy, does a good interview or lecture.

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