Could the theory of evolution as it stands be wrong??

As i dont believe in accidents my definition of accidents, would have to be others conceived idea....An unfortunate or even fortunate event that could not be conceived of.

Formula..A recipe for making something..now remember its not a human equation written down for a certain cook to brew but an inevitable result when certain elements,materials, are mixed together and the right circumstances are present. The formula for dynamite existed long before it was discovered by man, man became aware of it. The formula for life exists but we are not privy to its secrets.

Creation, the inevitable result of a formula. Nature holds those secrets, it does not invent them, nature is the creative force. If there is creator I'm not aware of him or her or it. I wont deny its possibility but I dont know, Im agnostic.

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Yes I think you do understand me. Imagine if the same circumstances that occurred to create life here on earth, were to be replicated on another planet, life would be inevitable. Those circumstances could be called a formula, a recipe.

Now understanding that concept, we have to accept that the formula has always existed. It was written into the fabric of the universe, at its conception or even before.

Written not in words but in reality.

Nature holds those secrets and also the secrets of how it attempts to achieve natural perfection. Nothing in evolution is by accident it occurs by the unwritten formula of nature.

Every occurrence has been considered, it acts in accordance to natures demands.

This amazing truth can lead us to believe it was engineered because its so perfect and eternal.

As i dont believe in accidents my definition of accidents, would have to be others conceived idea....An unfortunate or even fortunate event that could not be conceived of.

Formula..A recipe for making something..now remember its not a human equation written down for a certain cook to brew but an inevitable result when certain elements,materials, are mixed together and the right circumstances are present. The formula for dynamite existed long before it was discovered by man, man became aware of it. The formula for life exists but we are not privy to its secrets.

Creation, the inevitable result of a formula. Nature holds those secrets, it does not invent them, nature is the creative force. If there is creator I'm not aware of him or her or it. I wont deny its possibility but I dont know, Im agnostic.

If you do not believe in "accidents" how about stochastic probablity distributions? Which would make certain kinds ofindividual events inherently unpredictable. Not that either discussion has much to do with evolution.

"unpredictable' is not the same as "accident", is it ?

Nope did not say it was. Just querying your stance about determinism. Loosely related to evolution as an unpredictable process.

But evolution is predictable, it is determined.

But evolution is predictable, it is determined.

Was the development of human life, in your view predetermined? From the time of the big bang?

Whatever occurs the formula will have a response. That response is predetermined, the actions that you see, volcanoes, earthquakes, are the vagaries of material world but nature will always act in the same manner to those variations.

The actual question , if Determinism is embraced, is: predicatable by whom ?
A/ Only by someone having complete information on every event ever.

Not predicted but determined. .

But evolution is predictable

previously you said:

Do you want to play word games or understand my concept? OK predict, predict by determining the path the formula will take, given certain circumstances. If you have a certain circumstance the outcome can be predicted . Nature acts by determination on the predicted or unpredicted circumstances. If you give me a glass of red wine I will predict, I will drink it, but I cant predict you will offer me a glass of wine.

Yes, you have the information necessary and the analysing ability to predict, in the case of a glass of wine offered.

The formula is super easy. You like wine, you take what is offered, and some is offered.

it's not a completely accurate way of predicting, as you might not take the glass of wine for whatever immediate reason. Maybe you had enough already, maybe you have to drive, or maybe you are taking a med right now which would interact badly. Maybe you die on the spot and never accept the glass of wine.

so your predicting ability is not really good over the long haul.

Your changing the circumstances not my determination to drink the wine. I can predict given the correct circumstances ,I will drink that wine.

Yes everything in nature is determined. It was determined by the necessity of natures laws. Natural perfection is it ultimate goal. The path is treacherous but it strives constantly. The only question that for me is unanswerable is the intention, intentional by our reasoning or is it beyond our comprehension. Why does nature have this formula, so strong , so persistent.

Yes everything in nature is determined. It was determined by the necessity of natures laws. Natural perfection is it ultimate goal.

The actual question , if Determinism is embraced, is: predicatable by whom ?
A/ Only by someone having complete information on every event ever...and that someone must have the ability to anyalyse the info and come up with algorithms and so on.