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Unspeakable filth on the internet

 
 
odenskrigare
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 08:54 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Are you or are you not claiming that porn is a contributing factor in school shootings

Because I really do not see that link
Zetetic11235
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 08:57 pm
@William,
William;83091 wrote:
Sorry, Ken! Nice shot, but no cigar. What do you suggest? Lock the child in the attic, home school him, keep his friends away, throw out your television,(though I think that is an excellant idea), or put him on a short leash? Hell, what are we talking about? After all it's money that makes the world go around, and since we legalize porn, people are making a fortune on kids; porns greatest commodity. Thank you, Larry Flynt; a man of great insight? Damn!!!!!

William

Actually, if your kid has any wits he should be getting his porn free. If you don't want your kid running into porn, I can say that the site blocking at my high school was easily sufficient (unfortunately it also blocked certain useful sites). As kennethamy said, it falls onto the parent to purchase the blocking software, if they neglect it falls on no one else. If he didn't know, he should have done his research before letting his kid have at home internet access. I've seen plenty of disturbing images that I didn't really want to see thanks to the internet; my psychological profile is still well within in the normal range.

Kids have always found ways of getting a hold of porn or 'gross' pictures and dangerous objects, be it from the magazines under their friends dad's bed or the internet or an older kid. Shock films like cannibal holocaust have been floating around for decades. So I think you don't need a cigar, you live with liberty or without fear of horrible pictures. You can't have them both (I think that there was an old saying about eating cakes that is apt for this). It is regrettable that Allan's kid saw gore pics though.
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Khethil
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 08:59 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;82756 wrote:
My grandson was surfing the web for a school project and one of websites he visted automatically started downloading photos so unspeakable that it kept us awake with the sense of vile atmosphere and evil we felt...


Sorry to hear it Alan,

So I guess the question is: What's the problem here? Is it that such shocking imagery is available, or that they're not controlled?[INDENT]For every freedom, increase in knowledge or other benefit there is for such an open, unregulated system, there are "costs". Some of those costs might be, "How to make enough poison to put your ENTIRE town to sleep", ignominies such as exposure of private pain or intimate moments as well as such as Alan's grandson got shocked by.
[/INDENT]I don't know the answer. I suppose my stance would likely be this: If I knew that such things were out there, and children under my supervision were accessing them, I'd take extra precautions to shield/protect them. I actually have run into this, when my boys were little (though not quite to this extent - from the sounds of it).

But this is how things are; and my opinion isn't going to change the internet (as if anyone's could). I will say this, I'm sorry he had to get such a trauma - I experienced something similar when I was 11; to this day it haunts me.

Good luck Alan
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odenskrigare
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 09:01 pm
@Alan McDougall,
the Internet is a great tool and nobody should be prevented from using it just because of a few shock sites that you'll probably put out of your mind after a while

I don't feel compelled to think about goatse, tubgirl and lemonparty every second of the day
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Shadow Dragon
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 09:25 pm
@Alan McDougall,
I have to ask, what was Alan searching for when he came across this material? I could understand if it was just a porn pic that he came across, since you could type nearly anything into a search engine and eventually come across porn, but this seems a bit more specific.

Anyways, I hope Alan is feeling better.
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William
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 09:28 pm
@odenskrigare,
odenskrigare;83145 wrote:
Are you or are you not claiming that porn is a contributing factor in school shootings

Because I really do not see that link


Oden, there are many parents who don't have the foggiest idea of what there children are doing! That is what I mean as it relates to Columbine and the porn industry and the drugs they are taking. Not only are the viewing it, they are engaging in it as well. Most are innocent young beautiful girls who haven't been cared for in the manner in which they should have been. Where do you think they are getting the money they need to buy the drugs they use. It's all about the breakdown of the family that moral structure so critically important in the proper nuturing of a child. Arguably, IMO, it was a part of a deviously brilliant plan to pave the way, in a few short years, for abortion. Which back them, even the word abortion was taboo. Pornography is just a sad repercussion of that morality that was the family. All you know about those times is what this politically correct society programs you to know and that is what I mean when I say your are just too young to know any better.

william
odenskrigare
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 09:35 pm
@William,
William;83154 wrote:
Oden, there are many parents who don't have the foggiest idea of what there children are doing! That is what I mean as it relates to Columbine and the porn industry and the drugs they are taking. Not only are the viewing it, they are engaging in it as well. Most are innocent young beautiful girls who haven't been cared for in the manner in which they should have been. Where do you think they are getting the money they need to buy the drugs they use. It's all about the breakdown of the family that moral structure so critically important in the proper nuturing of a child. Arguably, IMO, it was a part of a deviously brilliant plan to pave the way, in a few short years, for abortion. Which back them, even the word abortion was taboo. Pornography is just a sad repercussion of that morality that was the family.


Ok then why do we have bizarre high school murder cases where a kid rips off a classmate's head and posts it on a fence in a country like Japan where the extended family unit is strong

Could it be the social pressure is unbearable for misfits? Naaaah

Your argument isn't holding water

Also you still haven't told me how porn leads to mass murder

William;83154 wrote:
All you know about those times is what this politically correct society programs you to know and that is what I mean when I say your are just too young to know any better.


I am not a brainwashed political person, William

And don't make me report your ad hominem

Fair warning
jeeprs
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 02:02 am
@Alan McDougall,
For what it's worth, I now have a very simple attitude to porn.

Porn is evil. Requires no further qualification or argument in my mind. The fact that western culture has used 'freedom of speech' to create a massive industry based on the strip-mining of human sexuality is one of its very worst aspects and will morally corrupt billions of people. Call me bigot, call me a fogey, I really don't care. Knock yourself out.

Porn is evil.
odenskrigare
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 03:21 am
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;83174 wrote:
For what it's worth, I now have a very simple attitude to porn.

Porn is evil. Requires no further qualification or argument in my mind. The fact that western culture has used 'freedom of speech' to create a massive industry based on the strip-mining of human sexuality is one of its very worst aspects and will morally corrupt billions of people. Call me bigot, call me a fogey, I really don't care. Knock yourself out.

Porn is evil.


If this "moral corruption" doesn't produce tangible effects, it's not really corruption izit
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jeeprs
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 04:15 am
@Alan McDougall,
There is a ton of empirical evidence out there on the upsurge of sexually transmitted infections amongs <25 yo. I suppose if I was a socioligist I could show you all the studies of how porn undermines trust, destroys intimacy, gives children a completely false idea of what sex is about, and so on, and so on. There are tons of tangible effects out there, lots of scripts being written for the illnesses, lots of counselling sessions taking place to overcome the effects on normal human relationships.

porn is evil.

---------- Post added 08-14-2009 at 08:22 PM ----------

I am not writing this from some high and mighty moral position here. I am also in the audience for this, and I am one of the people that needs to understand it. If you catch my drift.
odenskrigare
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 04:24 am
@Alan McDougall,
Can you link me to some of this alleged evidence

Also you are making a post hoc, ergo propter hoc argument

You may not be a sociologist but you do have Google, hop to it

EDIT - lol I don't even look at porn I have the moral high ground here
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Caroline
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 05:25 am
@Alan McDougall,
I don not want to see any links to any filth here please, I will immediately delete them if anyone puts them here. Thank you
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odenskrigare
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 05:36 am
@Alan McDougall,
huh what provoked that
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Caroline
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 05:40 am
@Alan McDougall,
Ok my mistake, you're asking for evidence on std's. I'm sorry, (just got up).
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odenskrigare
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 05:44 am
@Alan McDougall,
oh ok but I don't see porn as "filthy"

it's generally in poor taste and frequently embarrassingly facile but "filthy" is a stretch
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Caroline
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 05:51 am
@Alan McDougall,
I don't need to look at it. I think it's a bit sad really.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 06:01 am
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;83174 wrote:
For what it's worth, I now have a very simple attitude to porn.

Porn is evil. Requires no further qualification or argument in my mind. The fact that western culture has used 'freedom of speech' to create a massive industry based on the strip-mining of human sexuality is one of its very worst aspects and will morally corrupt billions of people. Call me bigot, call me a fogey, I really don't care. Knock yourself out.

Porn is evil.


That may be true, for all I know. But it is not the issue.

---------- Post added 08-14-2009 at 08:04 AM ----------

jeeprs;83180 wrote:
There is a ton of empirical evidence out there on the upsurge of sexually transmitted infections amongs <25 yo. I suppose if I was a socioligist I could show you all the studies of how porn undermines trust, destroys intimacy, gives children a completely false idea of what sex is about, and so on, and so on. There are tons of tangible effects out there, lots of scripts being written for the illnesses, lots of counselling sessions taking place to overcome the effects on normal human relationships.

porn is evil.

---------- Post added 08-14-2009 at 08:22 PM ----------

I am not writing this from some high and mighty moral position here. I am also in the audience for this, and I am one of the people that needs to understand it. If you catch my drift.



Why do you suppose that if you were a sociologist you could show those studies? How do you know that they exist?
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odenskrigare
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 06:06 am
@Alan McDougall,
he just knows ok, gawd

some claims don't require evidence!
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jeeprs
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 06:08 am
@Alan McDougall,
Quote:
How do you know that they exist?

From reading about them in the news. What I said was common knowledge.


actually I am not going to proceed to lay out a formal argument here. I have expressed an opinion. That is all I wish to do. Thanks. I am willing to contribute to a thread on this topic at some other time.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 06:11 am
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;83202 wrote:
From reading about them in the news. What I said was common knowledge.


actually I am not going to proceed to lay out a formal argument here. I have expressed an opinion. That is all I wish to do. Thanks. I am willing to contribute to a thread on this topic at some other time.


Is the opinion an informed opinion? Uninformed opinions are useless, as you must know.
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