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Unspeakable filth on the internet

 
 
Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 07:44 am
My grandson was surfing the web for a school project and one of websites he visted automatically started downloading photos so unspeakable that it kept us awake with the sense of vile atmosphere and evil we felt.

He knocked on my door in a frightened shocked panic, note he is a normal healthy boy not cushioned against the realities in life, but this event shocked him and me beyond comprehension

He was in shock and trembling and almost fainted. He is a normal teenager and like most teenagers he is aware of the dangers of polluting his mind

I will not go into a graphic explanation , but to just give the forum an idea, there were actual photos of decaying corpses, mutilated bodies decapitated bodies, unimaginable hideous pornography.

The internet is a tool for great good but as a father and grandfather I am simple appalled by this unimaginable depravity our children are now vulnerable to absorb into their naturally inquisitive minds

While I and his mother counselled him I stated that once you have let that type image into your mind it is almost impossible to erase it completely. The analogy I used to my grandson was he would be revolted by someone defecating in his bedroom, but to let someone defecate into ones mind is infinity worse

How as caring concerned adults are we going to protect our youth from this horror?

Well you might say we must warn and teach them right from wrong and I have done just that with my grandchildren.

This type of stuff on the web is food for people who might use it for gratification or even cause a person to become a serial killer

Any comments please?
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Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 07:55 am
@Alan McDougall,
They should have safety features on the computer Alan, it should have been blocked. Obviously the school needs to upgrade the child protection packages, it shouldn't have happened. I wonder how it did.
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Aedes
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 08:11 am
@Alan McDougall,
The internet is life made easy. It's not "vile" unto itself. Before the internet kids couldn't go to strip clubs or go fill up a bag from an adult video store. There's a lot worse than porn on the internet. It's the job of parents and other caretakers to protect kids as best they can.
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 08:23 am
@Aedes,
Aedes;82759 wrote:
The internet is life made easy. It's not "vile" unto itself. Before the internet kids couldn't go to strip clubs or go fill up a bag from an adult video store. There's a lot worse than porn on the internet. It's the job of parents and other caretakers to protect kids as best they can.


I know it is not vile, a gun never kills one it is they that pull the trigger that kill.

My grandson was taught but he became a victim read my post again please.

If you pollute the mind you have polluted the whole person a child does not need to go to clubs anymore, they can sit at the monitor and look at unspeakable filth.

Have you ever tried filtering or restricting what a young person can do and not do on the net, they are light years ahead of us as far as manipulating the web?
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Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 10:20 am
@Alan McDougall,
There are ways to prevent some of it, there are ways to minimize it, but it can never absolutely be avoided unless you just don't use the internet for anything.

You can't force others to play by what you consider to be filth. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone should adopt your standard of judgment. So therefore it is your responsibly to protect yourself or the people you are concerned about through the use of filters. Many browsers can be pre-configured to not allow or accept content by keyword usage. It is simple to set up and very effective.
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Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 10:32 am
@Alan McDougall,
You can put filters on, why wasn't this done? You have to trust the person not to look at vile things on the internet, who would want to anyway?
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Theages
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 10:43 am
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;82756 wrote:

This type of stuff on the web is ... even cause a person to become a serial killer

Do you have any proof for this assertion?
dharma bum
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 10:55 am
@Alan McDougall,
While this is unfortunate, you're grandson will learn eventually of all the evil things that pollute our world. One can't hide from them forever. It's only when we expose ourselves to evil and admit the reality of it that we can put a stop to it.
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Aedes
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 12:32 pm
@Alan McDougall,
People can be traumatized by disturbing stuff they come across in life, including on the net, and you can't block out everything. But having resources in one's life and in one's family helps one compartmentalize it. Being a parent all I ever think about is how to keep my little boy safe, including from stuff like this. But there needs to be a process by which kids, as they get older, learn to deal with running across this stuff should it happen to occur.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 01:38 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;82756 wrote:
My grandson was surfing the web for a school project and one of websites he visted automatically started downloading photos so unspeakable that it kept us awake with the sense of vile atmosphere and evil we felt.

He knocked on my door in a frightened shocked panic, note he is a normal healthy boy not cushioned against the realities in life, but this event shocked him and me beyond comprehension

He was in shock and trembling and almost fainted. He is a normal teenager and like most teenagers he is aware of the dangers of polluting his mind

I will not go into a graphic explanation , but to just give the forum an idea, there were actual photos of decaying corpses, mutilated bodies decapitated bodies, unimaginable hideous pornography.

The internet is a tool for great good but as a father and grandfather I am simple appalled by this unimaginable depravity our children are now vulnerable to absorb into their naturally inquisitive minds

While I and his mother counselled him I stated that once you have let that type image into your mind it is almost impossible to erase it completely. The analogy I used to my grandson was he would be revolted by someone defecating in his bedroom, but to let someone defecate into ones mind is infinity worse

How as caring concerned adults are we going to protect our youth from this horror?

Well you might say we must warn and teach them right from wrong and I have done just that with my grandchildren.

This type of stuff on the web is food for people who might use it for gratification or even cause a person to become a serial killer

Any comments please?


It is unfortunate that he saw it. It is largely your fault that he did.
William
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 02:57 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;82822 wrote:
It is unfortunate that he saw it. It is largely your fault that he did.


Speaking on behalf of Alan, of which I do not have his permission, don't you think it a matter of courtesy to offer an explaination to your "unfounded", hit and run accusation"? Wouldn't it be a friendly thing for you to perhaps offer any knowledge as to just how he, Alan, could take those precautions that would prevent that from happening, if there are indeed any, any young mind couldn't crack. We would all like to know such information, if it exists. It would be the "polite" thing to do, don't you think?

William
odenskrigare
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 02:38 am
@Alan McDougall,
Rot is real. Mutilation is real. Death is real.

I've seen quite a few shock sites and plenty of them were stomach-turning, but "unspeakable," I don't know about that
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 03:38 am
@odenskrigare,
odenskrigare;82915 wrote:
Rot is real. Mutilation is real. Death is real.

I've seen quite a few shock sites and plenty of them were stomach-turning, but "unspeakable," I don't know about that


That does not mean those things are acceptable
odenskrigare
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 03:44 am
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;82923 wrote:
That does not mean those things are acceptable


Should the Bible be off limits? The Qu'ran? These books are full of what you might call "unspeakable filth" (I just call it "filth," "unspeakable" sounding too superstitious)

Where's the line?
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jeeprs
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 05:02 am
@Alan McDougall,
Alan, I shudder to think what you saw. But I have to say, I am no longer a libertarian with regards to the net. If I could vote for internet censorship, I would. But I am afraid that the horse has bolted. There will be many people whose lives are very negatively affected by this aspect of modern culture. Hundreds of millions of people.
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Jackofalltrades phil
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 06:10 am
@kennethamy,
I for one do not think it is anyone's fault. Ofcourse one can blame the man who pulled the trigger or like true philosophers blame it on the gun manufacturer or broadly speaking, the human mind.

But since we are here, the problem needs a solution.

I for one, ideally speaking, would like all free porn sites with graphic displays to be banned or regulated. Pay sites are fine. (No - i have not paid a dime on this!! ;-) )

Responsible sex based sites have their home/index page have a text form with a disclaimer or an adult site proclaimer. This is very good internet ethics to follow.

Some one once said that Urbanity is the greatest pollutant (may not be exact?), well today internet has taken over.

So i agree with the concerned grandfather. Question is what needs to be done?
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Theages
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 01:25 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Your desire to no feel ooked out by stuff that you see online does not trump the rights of others to look at or produce what they want. Keep your puritanism to yourselves.
Caroline
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 01:58 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Puritanism? I thought Alan was talking about degradation and depravation?
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odenskrigare
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 02:37 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Same difference tbh
step314 phil
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 02:53 pm
@Alan McDougall,
I think it is very important to make a distinction here. Getting violated (forcibly sodomized) is what screws people up. Pictures of disgusting filth have no magical ability to screw people up. That said, when one encounters disgusting filth, especially if it comes at one by surprise, the experience can make one feel that maybe one has become screwed up, even if one is just as clean as before. This feeling screwed up can be harmful in itself when one is not screwed up. So the key for a parent or grandparent, it seems to me, is to encourage children to avoid such embarassing or disgusting-looking situations without giving the impression that you are doing so because such material has the capacity to screw people up (it doesn't). If you give the impression that merely looking at forcible (disgusting) sodomy or whatever is equivalent to getting forcibly sodomized you are just causing the child to feel more violated upon being exposed to such material, which is the only significant danger from it. It is important to make you grandchild know he is just as innocent and snowlike as he was before, and that no one can hurt him merely with pictures except to the extent the pictures make him believe otherwise.
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