What if Hitler had never been born or had been assasinated

Hi there

I have thought about how the world we live in would have differed if Hitler had never been born or if he were assasinated before or during the war

I will start the thead with a few possibilities

1) The atomic bomb would never have been discovered

2) Highly gifted people that were killed would have lived and great advancing in science would have happened

3) The space race would never have happened

4) There would never have been a cold war

Etc Etc

What do you think can you add to the lists and more

Stalin himself was responsible for estimated 43.000.000 deaths acording to this site.

Also shown are many other megamurderers (persons or regimes). Hitler was no lonely case.



Hitler was no incompetent man. Sure, he lost the war. Every beginning has an end. But before that he made the whole world tremble! Just look at the death rates..

The other reason for Hitler defeat was trying to fight on two huge fronts. If he had concentrated all his military power on the USSR when he invaded, and remember that was in 1941/42 long before the USA came into the war and the USSR was not yet receiving American military aid

Anyway, Stalin was lucky to have the best general from all the armies in during the second world war in the person of General Marshall Zoukov

The individual horrors of that war in the east are unimaginable.I have been lucky to talk to a Dutchman who was conscripted into the German army and he escaped from Stalingrad,one of only a few.I also talked to a Lithuanian who chose to fight with the Germans because he hated the Russians so much,his stories where amazing.I think i was of the age and the interest to have listened to many soldiers stories from both sides.A million stories that can never all be told.

We must be of similar age,I remember much of what I post about the history of both wars from my father, a very informed person he was.

I remember him telling me many of the Afrikaner people supported Hitler and his evil philosophy. When he heard this from one of his Afrikaners friends he explained to him exactly what and who Hitler was and said this person should get down on his knees day and night and pray that Hitler is defeated, because, if his armies ever reached SA the Afrikaner people would be eliminated because Hitler considered them a bastard race

Please not all Afrikaners believed in this evil or in the evil of Apartheid for that fact. Maybe Apartheid was a legacy of the Nazi belief. Sorry I don't want to side tract the thread. But maybe if Hitler had never been born, Apartheid in South Africa would not have become the institutional crime it did

My fathers officer in ww2 was a south African, he had worked in the diamond mines.He asked my father if he would come and work for him after the war.My mother refused because she did not like the apartheid system, i might have your neighbour..Alan..

You are much better off in beautiful England believe me xris

My Dad came from the beautiful lake district of Inverness, near Loch Ness but never saw Nessie :bigsmile:

Oh the great usual mighty "my dad was an engineer" "no my dad was the village farmer manager" stories.

Do you object to xris and I sharing things we can each relate to, you might not be of our age bracket, so please leave us alone or explain that little comment, so we old folk can understand :perplexed:

xris maybe he thinks we overlooked or forgot our evening medication. :bigsmile:

"Youth is wasted on the young"

Without Hitler I expect Germany's post WWI path would have been left to be decided by the bitter communist/nationalist clash in the post-war years. Would German democracy have been able to survive that struggle? Perhaps but that's far from clear. I suspect the Western powers would have decided to intervene to prevent a communist revolution on their doorstep.

Without Hitler I doubt that Germany's rabid anti-Semitism would have ever taken hold. Remember, German Jews were quite patriotic before Hitler's rise and served their Kaiser well in the First World War. Many Jews were relatively prominent in German society and the nation's economy.

This then raises the question of the Holocaust. Without Hitler it seems there would have been no Holocaust and without that tragedy what would have been the West's Middle East policy in the second half of the twentieth century? I cannot see that there would have been any effective consensus for the creation of the state of Israel. It is likely that the past six decades of war and hatred and insoluble conflict might never have occured but for Hitler. This misery may be Hitler's lasting legacy.

RDRDRD1 -- I think your points are all spot on.

To be sure, there were lots of bad, evil antisemites in the upper echelons of the Nazi Party, not the least of whom were Goebbels, Heydrich, and Himmler. But still, I'm not sure any of them would have created a state capable of the Holocaust on their own, it was more than anything else the war that allowed the Holocaust to happen, and the war (against Russia) almost certainly would not have happened were it not for Hitler.

Ah, but there you're wrong. Hitler was indeed a human. No lower form of life would have been capable of the monstrous outrages he undertook. We humans never cease to demonstrate our capacity for the very best and the very worst and we often wind up paying dearly when we forget that.