@xris,
xris;82458 wrote:The repitative scientific knowledge of the brains functions that you post is very interesting and concludes that certain functions of the brain are very well understood.What i dispute is the notion that everything is known.Consciousness by consensus of scientific knowledge has not been found to be in any one part of the brain.
You will not accept any circumstantial evidence that finds the individuals experiences relevant and however much you explain the workings of the brain, i can not accept i am just an electro chemical jelly.Now whose right?
Before moving on, I'd like to respond to your concern again, xris. We do have a history that some others may (or may not) be aware of, and for that reason I know exactly why you have written what you have written in this quote, above. Xris, I have answered to your concerns in the past, have you forgotten that? I will lay them out here again, just in case, however:
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xris wrote:What i dispute is the notion that everything is known
I would likewise, equally dispute any such notion, if such were to be put forward.
xris wrote:Consciousness by consensus of scientific knowledge has not been found to be in any one part of the brain.
This is very true (when meant as in a single structure holding the total of what can be termed
consciousness), so I see no reason, really, to state it again. (and of course I have stated as much in the past, so . . . )
xris wrote:You will not accept any circumstantial evidence that finds the individuals experiences relevant . . .
I am aware of the experience you have spoken of in the past, and assume, here, that you are pointing to the same one . . . the one which has led you to take a human as having a soul, which is the mental life (thus consciousness element), and which survives the decay of the physical body including the brain (as Alan McDougall had also been arguing).
Experiences of the individual brain, will be shown to need to that individual brain. Even though the H. sapien brain build is very largely similar in so many ways (and when I say build I am focusing on anatomy, and physiology in their largest terms), just as an average breed of Felis sylvestris catus brain build is very largely similar in so many ways (or any species (breed) for that matter), an individual cannot be another individual. In other words, if I have never had an OBE, I have never had one.
That said, xris, it is exactly for the same reason spelled out above about brain build similarity, that we can come to a quite fair understanding of what gives rise to experiences acknowleged (cognized) by a brain build. For that reason, the first level of inquiry will demand that we first look at the brain; because of the empirical knowledge that has been accumulated has set other explanations on the side, already.
(this is to say that the total, averaged evidence points toward the brain as being as much of a biological entity as the rest of the body, as all animals (and so on), and, that what it does, as being because of its being an entity--therefore decomposition of the entity, leaves nothing of that intact entity's processing and build)
A woman experiencing pregnancy via a condition called
pseudocyesis, will really, really experience as though she were pregnant, and some physical results caused by the brain will even be found. The woman, however, regardless of how '
real' the experience is, is never pregnante in such cases. A person presented with Capgras syndrome will experience a certain way towards certain people who they have otherwise always known (for example a spouse, a parent, etc.) as being a stranger, an imposter. Of course, that experience is simply in the brain--as all inner experiences are.
Therefore, as I have presented to you before, what you (and Alan) experienced, you experienced. . . internally. . . and it is clear enough that simply having had such an experience, like having had that dream, does not make that any external reality.
You may not accept (in the sense of '
agree with' or '
approve of')my response, xris, but at least I do hope you make an effort to fully understand it, keep it on record somewhere, and let it be (without having the emotion to raise these points again).[/indent]
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