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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2008 03:17 am
Scientists find 2,000-year-old brain in Britain

By RAPHAEL G. SATTER, Associated Press Writer Raphael G. Satter, Associated Press Writer - Sat Dec 13, 1:07 am ET

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LONDON - British archaeologists have unearthed an ancient skull carrying a startling surprise - an unusually well-preserved brain. Scientists said Friday that the mass of gray matter was more than 2,000 years old - the oldest ever discovered in Britain. One expert unconnected with the find called it "a real freak of preservation."

The skull was severed from its owner sometime before the Roman invasion of Britain and found in a muddy pit during a dig at the University of York in northern England this fall, according to Richard Hall, a director of York Archaeological Trust.

Finds officer Rachel Cubbitt realized the skull might contain a brain when she felt something move inside the cranium as she was cleaning it, Hall said. She looked through the skull's base and spotted an unusual yellow substance inside. Scans at York Hospital confirmed the presence of brain tissue.

Hall said it was unclear just how much of the brain had survived, saying the tissue had apparently contracted over the years. Parts of the brain have been tentatively identified, but more research was needed, he said.
He said it was a mystery why the skull was buried separately from its body, suggesting human sacrifice and ritual burial as possible explanations.
The existence of a brain where no other soft tissues have survived is extremely rare, according to Sonia O'Connor, an archaeological researcher at the University of Bradford in northern England who helped authenticate the discovery.

"This brain is particularly exciting because it is very well preserved, even though it is the oldest recorded find of this type in the U.K., and one of the earliest worldwide," she said.

The old brain is unlikely to yield new neurological insights because human brains aren't thought to have changed much over the past 2,000 years, according to Chris Gosden, a professor of archaeology at Oxford University unconnected with the find.

He confirmed it was the oldest brain found in Britain. He noted that far older preserved brains, thought to be approximately 8,000 years old, were found in 1986 when dozens of intact human skulls were uncovered buried in a peat bog in Windover Farms in Florida.

"It's a real freak of preservation to have a brain and nothing else," Gosden said. "The fact that there's any brain there at all is quite amazing."
Hall said the brain found at York University was being kept in its skull in an environmentally controlled storage facility for further study.
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xris
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2008 06:43 am
@Joe,
It could be that they considered the head as where the "I" recided and it was the essense of man and the rest was given back to nature ie let the animals and birds feed on them..Why do we always assume the worst for our ancestors ?
avatar6v7
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2008 10:32 am
@xris,
xris wrote:
It could be that they considered the head as where the "I" recided and it was the essense of man and the rest was given back to nature ie let the animals and birds feed on them..Why do we always assume the worst for our ancestors ?

At the time they would probably have thought the heart was where the 'I' recided if they thought it resided anywhere at all.
xris
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2008 11:09 am
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
At the time they would probably have thought the heart was where the 'I' recided if they thought it resided anywhere at all.
Why the heart ? if you and i know our thoughts come from our brain they must have...you to are underestimating their ability remember this guys ancient relatives had built the henges..
avatar6v7
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2008 04:58 pm
@xris,
xris wrote:
Why the heart ? if you and i know our thoughts come from our brain they must have...you to are underestimating their ability remember this guys ancient relatives had built the henges..

The heart was considered to be the lodging of the self because it changed based on the emotions of the individual, a claim upheld by early greek medical thinkers. However early operations such as treppaning suggest a more typical head orientated view of the location of the self. However the idea that we are just a brain is really a modern one, with different parts of the body considered to contain different aspects of the self according to many early theorys on the subject.
xris
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2008 04:59 am
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
The heart was considered to be the lodging of the self because it changed based on the emotions of the individual, a claim upheld by early greek medical thinkers. However early operations such as treppaning suggest a more typical head orientated view of the location of the self. However the idea that we are just a brain is really a modern one, with different parts of the body considered to contain different aspects of the self according to many early theorys on the subject.
Theories should fit the evidence and if you look at early man in britain his ability to relate to his surroundings and the ability to build such structures needed great cooperation with his neighbours..chopping each others heads off for no apparent reason does not fit his image..I find it only natural that the head is where i am so why should my ancestors think any differently..Alas poor Yorick i new him well...
Khethil
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2008 05:12 pm
@xris,
I understand that the ancient egyptians removed the brain during the mummification process because they thought that this grey organ's purpose was to produce the unsightly stuff flowing out of folks' nostrils from time to time.

There's all sorts of whacky things our ancestors believed about their natural world (probably us too, for that matter).

Thanks
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avatar6v7
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 09:41 am
@xris,
xris wrote:
Theories should fit the evidence and if you look at early man in britain his ability to relate to his surroundings and the ability to build such structures needed great cooperation with his neighbours..chopping each others heads off for no apparent reason does not fit his image..I find it only natural that the head is where i am so why should my ancestors think any differently..Alas poor Yorick i new him well...

I don't think I am just my head, and that seems natural to me. Our views are shaped very much by our upbringing, even if those views are the reverse of those we are taught.
xris
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 11:36 am
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
I don't think I am just my head, and that seems natural to me. Our views are shaped very much by our upbringing, even if those views are the reverse of those we are taught.
What a profound statement" i am not just my head"..I cant for the life of me know what you mean..I am only saying we cant take for granted our ancestors where savage fools..
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avatar6v7
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 12:46 pm
@xris,
xris wrote:
I find it only natural that the head is where i am so why should my ancestors think any differently

Most of our very distant ancestors will have believed in a spirit or soul, and believed that to be within the body, not think that their head(or brain) is 'where they are' though they may have attached great importance to it.
I personally don't think that our ancestors were 'savages', I simply object to you projecting your views onto them and calling those views advanced.
Also I think that archeaolgoy is (perhaps unavoidably) and overly materialist way of viewing our predecessors, as after all, so many human acheivments are invisible- art, music, government, language; these are the great acheviments of our ancestores, who we foolishly think of as unadvanced because they use tools of stone and wood- a sign of vast acheivment in itself.
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