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If only history could speak up for the deaf

 
 
Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 04:44 pm
If History were a person and his first name was zero and his last name was two-thousand-common-era then what would it have to say about us humans, and, (here's the catch to make it tricky), he is a young teenager.

And assuming his middle name corresponds with theme displayed in first and last name, what would you name it? Why?
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zolasdisciple
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 12:56 pm
@Holiday20310401,
id name it lonleyness because some people rent compassionate enough
socrato
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2008 10:25 pm
@zolasdisciple,
I'd name his middle name zero again!

It would probably tell us the usual crap a teen gives when they rebel and such. Probably something like, "I don't care!".
avatar6v7
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2008 03:39 am
@socrato,
History would be schizophrenic.
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RussianDevice
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2008 09:45 pm
@Holiday20310401,
History would say: Everything is passing out, and this will pass, too.
Everything becomes forgotten, and this will be forgotten.
Everybody dies, and you will die!
History lives in our minds and doesn't exists without us.
avatar6v7
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 07:34 am
@RussianDevice,
RussianDevice wrote:
History would say: Everything is passing out, and this will pass, too.
Everything becomes forgotten, and this will be forgotten.
Everybody dies, and you will die!
History lives in our minds and doesn't exists without us.

I disagree. The world and the universe has a history, and we are not the only intelligent minds that can see and comprehend it.
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 05:26 pm
@avatar6v7,
What non-human mind can comprehend the notion that Julius Caesar conquered Gaul?
Fido
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 07:03 pm
@Holiday20310401,
Holiday20310401 wrote:
If History were a person and his first name was zero and his last name was two-thousand-common-era then what would it have to say about us humans, and, (here's the catch to make it tricky), he is a young teenager.

And assuming his middle name corresponds with theme displayed in first and last name, what would you name it? Why?

History can't speak up for the deaf... It is already babbling for the insane...
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Fido
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 07:04 pm
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas wrote:
What non-human mind can comprehend the notion that Julius Caesar conquered Gaul?

What human mind can comprehend how he did it???
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 08:32 pm
@Fido,
Avatar claimed that humans are not the only minds capable of comprehending history, so I ask what other minds are capable of such a thing.

But to answer the question, Fido: none. But we can comprehend that he did such a thing, even if we cannot understand entirely how. Though, we can understand to a degree of Caesar conquered Gaul.
Fido
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 10:45 pm
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas wrote:
Avatar claimed that humans are not the only minds capable of comprehending history, so I ask what other minds are capable of such a thing.

But to answer the question, Fido: none. But we can comprehend that he did such a thing, even if we cannot understand entirely how. Though, we can understand to a degree of Caesar conquered Gaul.

How he did it was with a degree of inhumanity beyond comprehension... The funny thing is, that after all, he wanted the people of the conquered areas to have Roman citizenship, and for that as much as for any reason, he was killed...
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avatar6v7
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2009 05:58 am
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas wrote:
Avatar claimed that humans are not the only minds capable of comprehending history, so I ask what other minds are capable of such a thing.

But to answer the question, Fido: none. But we can comprehend that he did such a thing, even if we cannot understand entirely how. Though, we can understand to a degree of Caesar conquered Gaul.

well angels can, for a start.
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2009 06:49 am
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
well angels can, for a start.

I know that is true because I am an angel... The angel of death to be exact...I look at people and they die... It makes me fear to visit friends and relatives.. I know, it sounds too much like magic, but the feeling can certainly sour one on death...
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BrightNoon
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 10:58 pm
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
well angels can, for a start.


Do you really think so?
avatar6v7
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2009 11:19 am
@BrightNoon,
Of course, why not?
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2009 09:51 pm
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
well angels can, for a start.


Well, when you can provide the mind of an angel for scientific study, then we can begin to investigate the claims that angels are beings with minds, and that the mind of an angel can comprehend history.

But, until the mind of an angel can be presented for study, your claim that the minds of angels can comprehend history is nonfalsifiable.
avatar6v7
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 08:07 am
@Didymos Thomas,
Well if you could stick angel brain on a slab to be picked over by scintests then I don't really think that they would be angels. I was really making the point that it seems to me to me that history is more than simply us- there is a history of the formation of our world and the, of things before we existed, and personally, it seems to me that there were minds that could comprehend before ourselves.
Fido
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:19 am
@avatar6v7,
History, traditionally has meant only time since writing; and though a socialist might say history is the story of the class struggle, it is safe to say that struggle is far older than written history, coming from the time when God became male, and women were reduced to second class people subject to men rather than equal... But writing becomes necessary when one people conquers a great territory containing another people... Administration of conquered people and territory demands both law and writing, and an example of this might be found in the city of Bursa in Asia Minor; because when the Othman Turks took the place they found they needed a bur(sa)eaucracy to manage their territory... This often resulted in their slaves being far better off than their fellow Turks, who could not be conceived of as servants to the Othmans... This is civilization: conquests, slaves, laws, writing...
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 05:14 pm
@Fido,
Right - History begins with the written record. Before said record, you have pre-history.
avatar6v7
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 07:39 pm
@Didymos Thomas,
But since you can study 'pre-history' and learn about it through archeaology, its really just history.
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