As far as i can see, this resembles the doctrines of quantum physicists' that tries to prove God's existence through science. But then again, I find it as an occasion for pantheism and radical materialism. From the standpoint of philosophers who held the existence of spirits as an entity distinct from matter, then this kind of doctrine is not acceptable. If everything were to be understood in terms of energy, and mass, then nothing would give a "real account for distinction" of entities of matter. What individuates a living being from another living beings is his psychical unity, which were and I still believe is what makes an individual and individual and one, though at the same time physiologically extended, meaning has parts. I still believe that the spirit is not quantifiable, for if it is to be accepted, then the spirit just becomes a special term for a particular mode of matter. Also the problem of life should be mentioned here, the theory of biogenesis theory which is very much stronger than abiogensis theory states that life cannot come a non-living being or crude matter. Can pure matter be the intrinsic and intelligent cause of its own actions?

Patty, Hi I am Alan



God is inexhaustible self- aware energy and only God Can reverse entropy recycle energy in an eternal ceaseless cycle of creation and destruction

And only God can change energy into matter the reverse of nuclear fusion or antimatter matter annihilation


My thinking :bigsmile:

Gosh maybe I am right ? :perplexed:

Patty,

I am just curious why you speak with an authority that suggests that you are saying facts, when in actuality all any of us can do is suppose what God is.

God is not the inexhaustible self-aware energy. God is a spiritual being, not matter. Don't give definitions of God so as to make it conform it with the laws of thermodynamics. Spirit and Matter are not the same in nature. The world is not part of God.

Patty
I am just curious why you speak with an authority that suggests that you are saying facts, when in actuality all any of us can do is suppose what God is.

Because I think God cannot be defined with having materiality. We can suppose what God is, but if it can't hold to metaphysical scrutiny, then it isn't. If we are to say that God is matter, he is in space and in time. He is observable, he can be in our grasp. He may have quantity and therefore plurality of parts. If he has parts, then he is divisible. If he is divisible then there is many God. If there are many God's then who's the supreme God? If there is the supreme God, he may be the real God. And in case there are many God's but they are equal, in what virtue are they equal? Do theyu have the same indentiity? if they are the same identity and you cannot tell who's who, then they may only be one and the same.

I am with you on the material thinking, but what I asked you was more in observation of the fact that you attempt to make your points by saying, " this is not , that is not, there is no way...etc. etc.

When you speak thusly, you do the same as those who preach the opposing views to your opinions with the same authority.

Neither side however owns that authority. Nobody can speak with authority on the matters of spirituality because it is an unknown and all opinions are conjecture.

We can look at the evidences and come to speculations, but we should never come to conclusions and declarations.

Funny how this conversation turned to God. As I was aware, reincarnation was actually considered blasphemy in the Christian Religion.

Also, I wonder why God must not be made of matter... It is as if you are all stating that A) we can know God and B) that we know and understand all matter of the universe.... Hmmm... Interesting.

So back to topic!

Reincarnation, to me, is not something which occurs over multiple physical lifetimes. To me, it seems more aparent (having read many religious texts and mulitple translations of such) that reincarnation is something which occurs in one lifetime over many tranformations of the self. With each new day, you have a chance at changing yourself for the better or the worse and you have to deal with the consequences of your actions, sometimes over many years (or lifetimes if you will). Karma describes this specifically.

I see reincarnation as the chance we recieve on a daily basis to better ourselves and karma as the cause effect rule of the universe.

I would also point out that there is likely no way that any wise person has ever attained such levels of wisdom in the course of one lifetime. How could the earliest of our ancestors ever have attained such wisdom to pass it on to their students when their deaths would bring an ubrupt end to any such increasing of wisdom?

I would disagree by pointing out that there is no way for an oaf of simple mid to ever attain the levels of intellect of a wise man within his lifetime.

I would also point out that there is likely no way that any wise person has ever attained such levels of wisdom in the course of one lifetime. How could the earliest of our ancestors ever have attained such wisdom to pass it on to their students when their deaths would bring an ubrupt end to any such increasing of wisdom?

what you are talking about is the difference between skills and hands on abilities. I think we all know the difference between a wise man and an oaf.

Funny how this conversation turned to God. As I was aware, reincarnation was actually considered blasphemy in the Christian Religion.

Also, I wonder why God must not be made of matter... It is as if you are all stating that A) we can know God and B) that we know and understand all matter of the universe.... Hmmm... Interesting.

So back to topic!

Reincarnation, to me, is not something which occurs over multiple physical lifetimes. To me, it seems more aparent (having read many religious texts and mulitple translations of such) that reincarnation is something which occurs in one lifetime over many tranformations of the self. With each new day, you have a chance at changing yourself for the better or the worse and you have to deal with the consequences of your actions, sometimes over many years (or lifetimes if you will). Karma describes this specifically.

I see reincarnation as the chance we recieve on a daily basis to better ourselves and karma as the cause effect rule of the universe.

Because I believe that if God is a matter, then he is limited. The only argument to make God unlimited is to make God and the Universe as having the same identity. In that sense, There would be truly no God if everything is God

Patty



If God is separate from matter then he is a being like us albeit Supreme Being

Then we have God sitting on some glorious throne somewhere in the sides of the north, maybe the Orion Nebular

Yes GOD is a being, but God is All BEING

Why cant the universe be self aware and equate to God./ God is more than the universe God is all existence and you cannot restrict the Infinite into any human definition