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Arjen
 
Reply Thu 9 Oct, 2008 08:14 am
As can be seen in my profile I am from Holland. Holland is a particular part of the Netherlands: two districts around which the Dutch Republic was formed around 1700. To be more precise I am from Gouda. Most of you would not know this, but my little town has been te subject of some debate in my country. There are a few handfull of rebellious youngsters creating an unsafe feeling in the streets you see. Not that anythingserious is going on like slave trading or serious drug running, but because the same juvenile delinquents are never detained for more than a few hours they feel like nothing can be done to stop them. That can create dangerous situation for the elderly of ladies when walking outside alone. The situation has been deteriorating these last few years because nothing is done. However an - extreme right - voice is now heard in The Netherlands as you can read in this article.

Everybody realises that this just might be a bit over the top, but seeing that after that motion did not pass a group of about twenty juvenile delinquents plundered a supermarket in broad daylight people are getting into the spirit of extreme right. It just so happens that directly after these drastic turns of events I recieved some mail on a (planned) governmental network to kick off this month. It concerned the idea that if a person has been spotted doing something illegal a description of the person in question can be sent to all people who have joined that network to see if they spot the individual so they can relay the whereabouts to the police.

That idea really shocked me. It effectively means that everybody could be a snitch. In the Netherlands during the German occupation of '40-'45 'we' (I wasn't born yet then) used to call such people collaborators. They were politically organised in the NSB (National Socialist Movement or Nationaal Socialistisch Beweging in Dutch). In Germany such people were called Gestapo.

The network I am referring to is not the same as that however. It reportedly will be used to localise lost children or perhaps burglars. However, it can also be used to localise terrorists or just terrorist suspects. Unfortunately we have all been informed for years by the television what they look like....

I did recieve a very polite request to join in though. Some symbols were used that rang some bells as well:
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8690/oog1sa6.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7508/oog2xb4.jpg
All this reminds me of some posters I saw in London just after the subway 'terrorist' attacks, when that young Brazilian was shot in error.
http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/secure%20beneath%20the%20eyes.jpg
And this one from Nazi Germany:
http://media.de.indymedia.org/images/2008/02/208793.jpg

I must admit the simularities struck me tremendously. I would like to hear of simular issues in peoples cities/countries and if possible I would like to see the symbolism used.

If you are not concerned by this, just think of what it ment if you would have been a Jew in WWII, or if you were a muslim today. I always remember this one:
http://www.ethicalsuperstore.com/images/PastorNiemPC_sq.jpg

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I must admit I strated writing this as a warning, but now I think it is more important to also ask for information so that people can clearly see what is going on and what all of this means.


Edit:

Looking for propaganda to show what I mean I am coming to the conclusion that the propaganda of America's homeguard, London's civil security and Germany's Gestapo have got more in common except for extreme right and fascist ideas: the google search engine isn't showing them to me.

So, if anybody would like to help me out, just try to help me find the propaganda I mention above. That would help me out greatly.
After a total of four hours of searching I found one from London.
And after 15 more minutes one from nazi Germany
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Joe
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 09:09 pm
@Arjen,
http://torrentchannel.com/gfx/NWO//The_Invisibly_Visible-01.jpg

Thought this was funny.
Joe
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 09:40 pm
@Joe,
BREAKING UNITED STATES NEWS

http://www.australia.to/story/capitol.jpg

What was discussed at a closed session of the U.S. House of Representatives?



Tuesday March 25, 2008 7:37pm EST

BRISBANE, Australia - The House has held a closed session for the first time in 25 years and apparently discussed a hotly contested surveillance bill.

Republicans had requested privacy for what they termed "an honest debate" on the new Democratic eavesdropping measure.

Conspiracy theorists around the world have filled many pages of blogs and emails with theories as to why the public was prevented to hear what their elected representatives said and heard.

That is the nature of secrets: those "kept in the dark" want to know and in the absence of knowledge, seek answers.

Writers suggested that the special closed session of the U.S. House of Representatives discussed a lot more than the pending security surveillance provisions.

Last week's session was only the fourth time in 176 years that Congress has closed it's doors to the public.

Word has begun leaking from last weeks special, closed-door session of the United States House of Representatives.

Theorists wrote "Not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed: The imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008, the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009, the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse and advance round-ups of "insurgent U.S. citizens" likely to move against the government.

Also theorised was the detention of those rounded-up at "REX 84" camps constructed throughout the USA and the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses and the location of "safe facilities" for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest

Other answers included "the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada" (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool), the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon.

Members of Congress were FORBIDDEN to reveal what was discussed and ABC News via WCPO web site at the link below CONFIRMS congress members were FORBIDDEN to talk about it!
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jgweed
 
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Reply Sun 28 Dec, 2008 07:40 am
@Arjen,
In the US we have "Neighborhood Watch" (neighborhood watch - Google Image Search)and in many areas of the country, police departments have an anonymous tip line.

I think there is an enormous difference between asking citizens to help police enforce laws enacted by the people's representatives in a free society, and collaboration with the enemy. On the other hand, it does seem that many people, particularly after 9-11 are willing to sacrifice privacy (all those cameras in public places, in the US police activities outside of the court system) and some freedom for what they deem a more secure existence.

By putting some laudable actions in the category of "snitching" and then adopting the criminal code of honor about not being a "rat," are we not encouraging and allowing many criminals and murderers to walk freely amongst us, protected by their other gang members and the silence of witnesses in the community?

We should not allow the worst and most bestial element in society to define our language and hence our thinking.
Joe
 
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Reply Sun 28 Dec, 2008 10:09 am
@jgweed,
I dont condemn peoples decision to break the law. They may do bad things such as murder. That i totally am against. Violence does no justice. But it goes both ways. The police use violence to establish a group's laws. Society does not necessarily agree with all laws. I think snitching on somebody on most situations that does not threaten with violence or well being is not a matter you can make by yourself without knowing the facts. When I see someone steal something, i find it none of my business, because i know nothing of the circumstances. Anyone one who says this is flat out wrong or that is flat out right, is living in fantasy world.
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